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Breaking News - Israel

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CareerChange24 · 13/06/2025 01:31

Wow things are escalating to levels I don’t know if we are prepared for. But Mossad are no fools so must be confident in their actions.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14808013/Explosions-sounding-Tehran-US-warned-Israel-planning-hit-Irans-nukes.html

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FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 14/06/2025 16:45

Snowstorming · 14/06/2025 11:51

Someone should kick you out of your home and declare it as their new house, and then we can all talk about how complex it is 😔

Which is exactly what happened to the Mizrahi (Middle Eastern) Jews.
These are people whose families lived for centuries in countries like Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Syria, and Iran. They didn’t come to Israel from Europe after the Holocaust; many were expelled or fled violent persecution.

These Jewish communities had been part of the Middle East for generations. Yet after 1948, more than 850,000 Jews were forced out of Arab and Muslim-majority countries. They had their property confiscated, faced mob violence, arrests, and sometimes killings. Most of these countries will not take them back, and many have effectively erased their Jewish histories.

Israel became the only place they could go. It wasn’t a matter of “stealing land”, for many Mizrahi Jews, it was life and death after being made stateless by the nations they had been their home, just as much as it was the Arab residents.

There’s a narrative that Israel is just a colonial project of European Jews, but that ignores the lived experience of half the country’s Jewish population who are indigenous to the region, whose roots in the Middle East go just as deep as any other group there.

It’s absolutely right to care about Palestinian suffering, but we also need to understand the full, complicated history of this region, including the trauma and displacement of Middle Eastern Jews that rarely gets acknowledged in these conversations.

The justified anger that many people have is hypocritical if it isn't acknowledging that the crimes, the kicking out of their homes and the land stealing goes (and has gone) both ways.

Except Arab people are still welcome in the surrounding countries... Mizrahi Jews quite literally had/have nowhere else to go. They would be slaughtered if they stepped foot outside of Israel and tried to return to the homes of their grandparents and ancestors.

Snowstorming · 14/06/2025 17:55

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Snowstorming · 14/06/2025 17:56

Also by this logic, it is OK for Hamas to attack Israel, no? Since the Israelis were victims (according to you) that had to ‘do or die’ and chose to ‘do’ by stealing actual property from Palestinians… so now the Palestinians are desperate and also at a ‘do or die’ situation, so it’s OK for Hamas and any Palestinian to kill or steal from Israelis as they’re desperate and need to escape Israeli persecution… no? Absolute tosh

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 14/06/2025 18:02

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Your comment doesn't remotely address mine.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 14/06/2025 18:07

Snowstorming · 14/06/2025 17:56

Also by this logic, it is OK for Hamas to attack Israel, no? Since the Israelis were victims (according to you) that had to ‘do or die’ and chose to ‘do’ by stealing actual property from Palestinians… so now the Palestinians are desperate and also at a ‘do or die’ situation, so it’s OK for Hamas and any Palestinian to kill or steal from Israelis as they’re desperate and need to escape Israeli persecution… no? Absolute tosh

It's not "according to me" I am sharing facts, from history. Just because those facts don't fit your narrative, there is no reason to lash out. Jewish people both in Europe and in the Middle East have been victims and it is ignorant not to acknowledge the reality that Mizrahi Jews were displaced by several Arab majority countries just as Israel was being formed.

Your inability to have a logical, measured conversation with understanding of the complexities of the situation is telling.

I can share facts regarding the history of Jewish people whilst also acknowledging the plight of the Palestinians. You should reflect on why you can't do the same.

DickAhOn · 14/06/2025 18:15

@FeministUnderTheCatriarchy
Snowstormfront is not interested in facts. Your post was totally factually correct but doesnt fit their narrative. Sadly they have no understanding or knowledge about the region at all and have no ability to counter facts so prefer meaningless slogans and ad hominem and personal attacks. Such a post will come shortly....

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CharlieRight · 17/06/2025 06:08

CleverButScatty · 13/06/2025 19:33

It's a great time to attack kill people. Just wow.

Indeed, not me obviously. But if you want to understand things you have to try to get inside other people’s heads.

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 06:30

DickAhOn · 14/06/2025 15:50

The fact that you think that this is how things happened just shows your ignorance.

BTW ask the 700,000 odd Jews of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Tunisia, Lebanon and iran (many of whom now live in israel) what it's like to be kicked out of their houses and have them stolen. They'll surely be able to tell you.

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This. The fact that many uniformed people just think that Palestinian people were kicked from homes and yet are completely oblivious that Jewish people were kicked from their respective homes too in a large number of middle east countries meaning Jewish people only had Israel left is gobsmacking ignorance.

You can see who's swallowed the online soundbites and Israel bad Palestinian good, or Israel bad anyone they fight back against good. Read the actual history of the entire region not just listen to pro pal marchers and stop repeating lies that only Palestinian people (there was no Palestine state) were displaced. The hundreds of thousands of Jewish people in many middle east countries were thrown out. Look at how many were there before and are in each country now.

CleverButScatty · 17/06/2025 10:47

DickAhOn · 14/06/2025 00:39

I think it's more a great time to get rid of iron's ability to create a nuclear weapon.
Thank God!

Of for goodness sake that is not the aim and not an acceptable means to achieve it even if it were. .if a country that the UK we're on poor terms with bombed London because they wanted to diminish our nuclear capacity would this be an acceptable way to do it?

There are too many people who see those of certain ethnicities as absolutely dispensible in pursuing their political/financial goals (let's not forget how valuable Iran's oil is).

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 12:08

@CleverButScatty "let's not forget how valuable Iran's oil is"

Only to the Chinese, because that's where 90% of it goes ! 🙂

Nowayyousure · 17/06/2025 13:20

CleverButScatty · 17/06/2025 10:47

Of for goodness sake that is not the aim and not an acceptable means to achieve it even if it were. .if a country that the UK we're on poor terms with bombed London because they wanted to diminish our nuclear capacity would this be an acceptable way to do it?

There are too many people who see those of certain ethnicities as absolutely dispensible in pursuing their political/financial goals (let's not forget how valuable Iran's oil is).

The west don't buy oil from Iran. Did you mean how valuable it is to China?

CleverButScatty · 20/06/2025 09:36

alikelylass · 17/06/2025 12:08

@CleverButScatty "let's not forget how valuable Iran's oil is"

Only to the Chinese, because that's where 90% of it goes ! 🙂

Yes and the USA and Israel have no interest whatsoever in damaging China 🙄

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