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To say the £35k winter fuel threshold is way too high!

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chocolateismyweakness4 · 09/06/2025 13:21

The threshold needed to be raised, but £35k?! I wish I earned that and I have a mortgage and commuting costs. It also doesn’t take into account savings (so they could have millions in the bank) or household income.

We all know it’s a bribe, but they still won’t get pensioners to vote for them.

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KIlliePieMyOhMy · 09/06/2025 15:57

I was amazed it is that high.

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:57

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 15:57

You’re basing this skewed version of reality on seeing a few pensioners buy expensive groceries. If that’s not prejudice I don’t know what is.

It's not 'a few'.

PandoraSocks · 09/06/2025 15:57

MidnightPatrol · 09/06/2025 15:41

No - but 75% of them own their homes with no mortgage.

A third of pensioners have a million pounds in assets.

Some pensioners are very poor - but most with a pensionable income of £35k are going to be without housing costs.

Most of those million pound assets will be tied up in the home they live in.

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:58

PandoraSocks · 09/06/2025 15:57

Most of those million pound assets will be tied up in the home they live in.

Well, untie them?
Move to a smaller house.

Boomer55 · 09/06/2025 15:58

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:54

Those who expect hand-outs and dismiss the reality of how hard life is for the folk working to fund those hand-outs.

Well, in London, I’m funding free school meals, for all kids, regardless of parental income.

Is that fair? 🤷‍♀️

ThisTicklishFatball · 09/06/2025 15:59

I'm seeing way too many ageist posts (Mumsnet is too much lenient towards ageism, it's beyond ridiculous). Countless of you are waiting with too much glee for the deaths of the boomers to inheritate their money and properties. Until they die, I suggest you to look for jobs and careers with good salaries and perks.

CorvusNoir · 09/06/2025 15:59

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:55

So, me telling you what I see, on a daily basis, is prejudice?

You making a generalised assumption that what you see applies to everything is prejudice .

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 15:59

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:57

It's not 'a few'.

Well it’s not all, is it? Unless every pensioner in the country frequents the same supermarket as you. How many do you see in Lidl or Aldi?

PandoraSocks · 09/06/2025 15:59

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:57

It's not 'a few'.

So what is it you see on a daily basis and how do you see it?

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 16:00

ThisTicklishFatball · 09/06/2025 15:59

I'm seeing way too many ageist posts (Mumsnet is too much lenient towards ageism, it's beyond ridiculous). Countless of you are waiting with too much glee for the deaths of the boomers to inheritate their money and properties. Until they die, I suggest you to look for jobs and careers with good salaries and perks.

Nobody wants people to die or suffer, we just don't want to subsidise those who don't need subsidised.

MidnightPatrol · 09/06/2025 16:00

Boomer55 · 09/06/2025 15:56

Well, I’m having to pay full rent, and am still taxed, and always have been, since I left school. I haven’t got anywhere near 1 million pounds. 🙄

Key point here - have you got an income in retirement of £35k a year?

Because I’m not arguing that some pensioners aren’t poor or don’t own homes - but that those earning £35k will probably already be very comfortable.

If you don’t own a home but have accrued a large enough pension to pay out at this level - why? You could use your tax free lump sum to buy a small flat on retirement.

Horserider5678 · 09/06/2025 16:01

chocolateismyweakness4 · 09/06/2025 13:23

Maybe not if you’re living a high end lifestyle. If you don’t have a mortgage, rent, commuting costs, childcare etc yes it is! I don’t earn that from working full time. Pensioners also don’t have NI taken from their income.

I don’t know many 90 year old pensioners living the high life! Not all pensioners live their own homes, some do actually live in rented accommodation but don’t let that ruin your narrative!

I also think a pensioner with millions in the bank would have an income over 35k!
Finer detail has yet to be announced!

Boomer55 · 09/06/2025 16:02

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:52

It is not spite to point out reality. These places are where I see lots of pensioners, routinely. Oh yes, and puchasing the Deluxe or Finest ranges in the supermarket. 😬
Maybe I just live in an area with loads of rich pensioners.

I live in an area where plenty of young women get their nails, tans etc etc done regularly whilst clutching their latest phones, and whining about food banks and low benefits at the same time - I guess we both live in dodgy areas.🙄

Meadowfinch · 09/06/2025 16:03

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:55

So, me telling you what I see, on a daily basis, is prejudice?

Perhaps you live in a wealthy area where most people have money. I live in rural Hampshire (not a trendy bit) and I know pensioners who have been collecting waste wood & cardboard to burn in preparation for next winter. Some have been genuinely frightened at the thought of rationed heating.

Try visiting some less affluent areas where people live in old houses with poor insulation and single glazing before generalising.

Perfect28 · 09/06/2025 16:03

If you get paid less than that you probably get UC top up, so no.

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 16:03

Boomer55 · 09/06/2025 16:02

I live in an area where plenty of young women get their nails, tans etc etc done regularly whilst clutching their latest phones, and whining about food banks and low benefits at the same time - I guess we both live in dodgy areas.🙄

No, I live in a lovely location, thanks.

PandoraSocks · 09/06/2025 16:03

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 15:58

Well, untie them?
Move to a smaller house.

Ah, then it would be "selfish boomers buying up smaller homes which should go to first time buyers".

I think you are on a wind up, to be frank.

yakkity · 09/06/2025 16:03

CaptainMyCaptain · 09/06/2025 13:26

It's more than I earned as a teacher after tax when I was working. I am now retired and not one of the people who complained when I didn't get the Winter Fuel payment. I think the threshold was too low before but I was surprised to learn it is now this high.

Why are you comparing a gross amount to what you earned after tax and then getting outraged. You don’t compare gross with net.

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 16:03

MidnightPatrol · 09/06/2025 16:00

Key point here - have you got an income in retirement of £35k a year?

Because I’m not arguing that some pensioners aren’t poor or don’t own homes - but that those earning £35k will probably already be very comfortable.

If you don’t own a home but have accrued a large enough pension to pay out at this level - why? You could use your tax free lump sum to buy a small flat on retirement.

How many people do you think get a tax free lump sum in the hundreds of thousands? Certainly not someone whose occupational pension amounts to £24k, ie £2k a month.

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/06/2025 16:04

Meadowfinch · 09/06/2025 16:03

Perhaps you live in a wealthy area where most people have money. I live in rural Hampshire (not a trendy bit) and I know pensioners who have been collecting waste wood & cardboard to burn in preparation for next winter. Some have been genuinely frightened at the thought of rationed heating.

Try visiting some less affluent areas where people live in old houses with poor insulation and single glazing before generalising.

Government (any government) would be better insulating homes.

BeLilacWriter · 09/06/2025 16:04

daffodilsandaisies · 09/06/2025 13:35

its 35k EACH isn’t it, not per household? So a retired couple could be getting £6000 a month income and still qualify?! My mind is totally boggled by this.

yes was far too low
tjis is ABSURDLY high

Daily Telegraph still moaning about some being ‘denied’ it…

If you are a couple you get £300. A single person under 80 gets £200 and if you are over 80 you get £300.
So it doesn't matter if they have £35k each, they will get the couples allowance of £300. Also, people can opt out if they choose.
Personally, I would have been happier with the threshold being at £20,000.

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 16:05

Meadowfinch · 09/06/2025 16:03

Perhaps you live in a wealthy area where most people have money. I live in rural Hampshire (not a trendy bit) and I know pensioners who have been collecting waste wood & cardboard to burn in preparation for next winter. Some have been genuinely frightened at the thought of rationed heating.

Try visiting some less affluent areas where people live in old houses with poor insulation and single glazing before generalising.

Great, so they're also polluting the environment. 🫣

Boomer55 · 09/06/2025 16:05

MidnightPatrol · 09/06/2025 16:00

Key point here - have you got an income in retirement of £35k a year?

Because I’m not arguing that some pensioners aren’t poor or don’t own homes - but that those earning £35k will probably already be very comfortable.

If you don’t own a home but have accrued a large enough pension to pay out at this level - why? You could use your tax free lump sum to buy a small flat on retirement.

I’m happy where I am in a HA flat. I don’t want to buy anywhere, as I’m a widow. I’m just saying that we don’t all live rent free, tax free, or get benefit top ups, concessions etc.😊

BIossomtoes · 09/06/2025 16:06

Koalafan · 09/06/2025 16:05

Great, so they're also polluting the environment. 🫣

Oh ffs, just stop it. You’re just doing this to be annoying now.

Todaywasbetter · 09/06/2025 16:06

Its £200 - the media has got you crying over peanuts. The triple lock thing will go soon enough.

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