Tommy Robinson asked to leave a restaurant because staff felt uncomfortable serving him…

[harriethoyle]

… AIBU to enjoy this?!

If you spout objectionable views, don’t be surprised if people object to you!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tommy-robinson-kicked-out-hawksmoor-london-b1231594.html

No, I'm speaking from solid teaching experience and peer review.

Again, which country are you talking about?

"Islamophobia when associated with nationalism had previously been found not to be WORIDS," case please

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Haha why should I care? I can't take anyone who can't take anyone who says telly box seriously seriously. Ffs.

We are on a UK based website talking about a british person. If you can't draw your own conclusion then I am sorry

Why the eyeroll?

Ffs.

Then you should have put your expertise on the table. Instead, you simply looked like someone who uses the word “naive”.

so I’m interested in your experience and expertise on this issue, which would be more useful than tilting at each other. Could you bring this experience to the discussion?

Well, the countries that make up the UK are all very different politically. Which is why I was asking.

But never mind. You carry on with your support of the odious criminal Yaxley-Lennon.

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This thread is full of “it’s not the same” comments.

It doesn’t have to be exactly the same to observe that in reality there are people doing jobs every day that are helping the worst people in our society and/or actually being subject to, or putting themselves at risk, of violence and abuse, without complaint. Or worrying about their “conscience”.

As I said, serving staff could just put the steak down on the table, and get on with their lives.

Is it? Really?

I have no idea whether it is OK to refuse someone service because of their opinions as I'm not a legal expert (like 99% of the people on here). In TRs case it is not based on his opinion but uninformed peoples opinion of his opinion as they believe everything they read in the media or see on the tellybox. So he may have a case. However, the legal system is also not what it was (impartial) and infiltrated with hard left activists like "Sir" Keir Starmer so he may not have a case.

Why on God's earth would I waste my time sharing a series of events, which I've experienced while teaching? Specific situations where if you're not left leaning, you are ostracised? For then to be told well I must be a racist and fascist myself. Nope.

When you say, I am tolerant of everything bar this thing, you are not tolerant.

« I like every race except [x] people », you’re racist.

If the Left wants a fair world for everyone, it must include TR. If the left doesn’t want a fair world for everyone, but only those who agree with them, it’s not the left anymore, nor can it claim to be fair or for everyone.

However, the legal system is also not what it was (impartial) and infiltrated with hard left activists like "Sir" Keir Starmer so he may not have a case

Do you have evidence of how and when this infiltration occurred?

Starmer is not hard left.🙂

He waas talking about "muslim extremists" in relation to "kick their heads in".

Personally I do not support violence AT ALL.

But anyone who threatens to "kick the heads in" of paedophiles, terrorists (islamic or otherwise), or people who believe that women should be covered head to toe and gay men in prison then I have no big problem, sorry.

But more importantly, lot of people agree with me. Including lots of people like me who have spent their entire life on the "progressive left". I am a classical liberal, and classical liberals believe in allowing peple to do what they want UNLESS IT HARMS OTHERS. Paedophilia and islamic extremism and mass immigration harm others, therefore they need to be stopped / controlled.

The people who are most responsible for the likes of Trump, TR, Farage etc etc having loud voices are those on the "progressive left" (actually a regressive woke intolerant authoritarian left) who are ignoring issues. I would like to vote for a party to the left of labour economically, and which is massively pro LGB and women's rights. As things stand I might vote reform because I don;t want to vote for a party that thinks everyone is an evil hard right racist because they don't think men should be in women's sport, or that the normalization of the niqab is a good thing or that mass immigration is wonderful

So these things did happen to you? What do you specialise in?

Now I know you're posting in bad faith. I reserve the right to engage with you further. Surely you respect that, right.

I support free speech and freedom of expression, not TR.

It is your attitude, and the complete failure of labour to address the concerns of ordinary people that is causing TR to gain more and more popularity, not me

Well if you refuse to watch the film in its entirety then you'll never know whether there is anything in the 'he was stitched up by the establishment' conspiriacy theory, will you?

And that's fine. If you'd prefer to stay ignorant on certain subjects you are certainly allowed to. We can't all be expected to have an in depth understanding of everything that's going on.

But please, do us all a favour. If you know you don't know all the details, if you know you haven't spend time looking into a particular subject in enough depth, save yourself the bother of posting about that subject as if you do know. It makes you look silly.

I don’t think you do know. You are just saying you don’t want to take this conversation further, which is okay with me, but I think saying I’m bad faith is another example of your efforts to characterise me negatively, and it speaks to your character.

Now you're being silly. Where do you draw the line though, I don't agree that trans women are women, am I right to not serve them because I don't agree with their views. Someone doesn't agree with war so refuses to serve a soldier in uniform, the list is endless.

TR is a controversial figure and an odious man but this sounds like virtue signalling at its finest.

Edited for spelling.

You're heckling now; the hallmark of a lefty. That's the last you're getting from me.