Tommy Robinson asked to leave a restaurant because staff felt uncomfortable serving him…

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… AIBU to enjoy this?!

If you spout objectionable views, don’t be surprised if people object to you!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tommy-robinson-kicked-out-hawksmoor-london-b1231594.html

Perhaps instead of putting me in play, you might address the actual point I raised. Otherwise your efforts to declare me naive are just looking like a deflection

I can’t take anyone who says “telly box” seriously.

No-one is trying to silence him, much as he loves to make out he is some sort of martyr. Mostly they're just trying to stop him breaking the law.

Refusing to serve him does not amount to silencing him.

When are people going to learn that that these days you need to do your own research

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Not even close to the same. The overriding sentiment towards medics are that they are above you in that moment they are saving your life. They are trained to do something you cannot.

The overwhelming sentiment towards waiting staff is that they are beneath you, in a position of servitude. That they should serve you without complaint regardless cos their minimum wage job demands it. They can leave all self respect at the door, all conscience.

In this case they even have to ignore that they themselves could be a victim of the person/group they are acting in servitude to in another situation!

I already stared that left wing Infiltration, in education, is deeply rooted. You are suggesting otherwise.

The racist “Tommy Robinson” walking lobotomy dwarf literally wants people thrown out of the country because of their beliefs and because they dare to express their opinions and live according to their culture.

So I’m sure he empathises with the restaurant manager for doing exactly what “Robinson” wants to do to entire swathes of the population.

Well, yes. He was found guilty of various criminal offences and sentenced squarely within sentencing guidelines. If he was in solitary confinement, that was a decision of the prison authorities either for his protection or as a result of his behaviour.

"infiltration" - we seem to be entering tin foil hat territory.

His life would be at risk if every place that sells or serves food refused to serve him or anyone who supports him

Yes. I do not think England would have a world leading university sector if it were compromised of militant leftists. No one will pay for that. They will pay for competence. I have a lot of faith in the education available here, and there is nothing wrong with being proud about how good it is.

erm?? I said you can absolutely refuse service to Tories if that’s your jam. They’re not a protected characteristic.
Not sure where you’re “for believing sex is real” spiel comes from? And your capitalised “ opinion worthy of respect” thing? Unless you’re trying to reply re the Trans activists comment (and you cannot bar trans men or trans women as they ARE covered by the Equality Act)

You should rather learn to take everyone seriously, that’s democracy and basic respect.

This classist, mean girl, playground-level, patronising snipe, it may work to sass on SM, but it’s definitely not an acceptable way to engage in political debate.

Actually, for what it is is worth they can be as inconsistent as they want so long as they comply with the law.

TQ+ ideology is part of the wider woke / CSJ movement. Academia - or large parts of it - is more about activism than truth now, hence why if I was faced with a racist tory voting white bricklayer, and an educated academic who claimed to be woke, I would suspect I have more in common with the brickie, despite not being racist, never having voted tory and having two degrees

Are you quite okay? Private establishments can refuse him. He will not starve to death.
I presume you like the man?

Yes. He co-founded the EDL, a violent fascist organisation which specifically targeted anti-racist events.

Again, being WORIADS is only one of the 5 criteria that must be satisfied for a belief to be protected. The 5 requirements to be met:

The belief must be genuinely held.

It must be a belief, not just an opinion or viewpoint based on current information.

It must relate to a weighty and substantial aspect of human life and behavior.

It must attain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion, and importance.

It must be worthy of respect in a democratic society, not incompatible with human dignity, and not conflict with the fundamental rights of others

Again, Islamophobia when associated with nationalism had previously been found not to be WORIDS, and Tommy Robinsion is, famously, both.

I don't really care how you personally feel about that.

As I said, naive.

The view that TR is whit nationalist. If TR is white nationalist then the millions of people who support him are no longer afraid of being called white natioanlism. You are normalizing hard right extremism by claiming a big chunk of the country are, simply because they don't think islam and mass immigration are wonderful

Even when they are making a perfectly good and evidenced point. Well done you. Enjoy the echoes in your chamber

Okay. That’s your view. But I think we should draw the line at saying TQ ideology has somehow addled people or education to the point where we can’t trust our experts or academics. If you mean there are a lazy class of people in life who like a bandwagon, then that’s not connected innately to left or right politics. People are very opportunistic in every walk of life

What is racist about not wanting islamification (and the misogyny and homophobia and authoritarianism that goes with it)?

But you have simply reverted to characterising me, which, may I suggest, speaks to your character.

He's a known violent racist. No one is obligated to serve him.

People making the argument about gay ppl etc- that is a protected characteristic under the equality act. Being a racist twat isn't. Medical professionals are not obligated to treat racists either.

Also please stop making the argument that we've lost the ability to respect opinions. I respect that some people vote Tory. I respect that people hold different views on immigration. And whilst we'll never be friends, I even respect your right to vote Reform.

I do not respect far right extremism and never will. If you think anyone needs to respect someone who said he'd kick Muslims heads in, you're a twat. We wouldn't be telling people to respect the views of Nazis, would we?