Tommy Robinson asked to leave a restaurant because staff felt uncomfortable serving him…

[harriethoyle]

… AIBU to enjoy this?!

If you spout objectionable views, don’t be surprised if people object to you!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tommy-robinson-kicked-out-hawksmoor-london-b1231594.html

Ag, so is that a no. You have attempted to say I’m naive, bad faith and a lefty. By contrast, I’ve asked about your experiences and you’ve said nothing on that.

We do not need to be tolerant of someone who despises all Muslims, anymore than we needed to be tolerant of Nazi Germany. I respect his right to voice his poison, but I do not have to agree with it.

No one disputes the importance of immigration controls. I would always listen to the voices of working class people who feel done over by the government (though I believe immigration is used as a scapegoat for many problems). I'm happy for people to say 'the amount of asylum seekers across Europe is a problem for local people due to its impact on resources, we need to work together to find a way to deal with'. I will never agree with people who say 'shoot the dingies'. A fair world does not need to include those people, because such a lack of empathy and blatant racism has no place in modern society.

I respect opinions so far as they're reasonable and politely expressed. No one should be respecting people who say 'black people are n-words' or 'gays are disgusting'. That shit has no place in a fair world.

@QurikySparrowHatrack page 27 re concerned about Muslim servers waiting on TR.

I'm catholic, laspsed. Many many people hold extremely strong views about Catholics when I was younger and knee catholic ( brain washed) I was working in bars and restaurants and I couldn't have cared less what the customers said about Catholics or how they felt about it?

What business is it of mine or anyone's if they don't like your religion.

If we are going down the route of serving staff and dinners Andy religion no one would go out anywhere or eat anywhere.

😂

Starmer a hard left activist? He’s a red Tory.

I am still waiting for @Menopausalsourpuss to present evidence of the hard left infiltration of the judicial system.🤔

I am guessing it is a case of Hitchen's razor.

Its not me who looks silly. I understand that Tommy Robinson made a documentary to further his agenda against a vulnerable child. He was prosecuted for it and told to stop broadcasting it.

The terminally gullible believe everything he says. He's just a victim of a two tier system that seeks to shut down his truth. He's a warrior. A true British bulldog protecting the white cliffs from a foreign invasion. Sure he is.

Reds under the bed. Don't panic!

We need to be tolerant. It is what makes us equal citizens in a democracy and a fair society that respects the rights of everyone.

A « good » cause is NEVER an excuse to let slip our standards of democracy, free expression, tolerance rule of law.

You don’t want to accept that? Then you are on the fascist/authoritarian side, doesn’t matter if you re for Palestine or Israel or whatever.

Look, I'm a hardcore atheist. I despise all major world religions and think they're inherently harmful. I'd be the first to protest the moment laws begin to be influenced by religion, as they currently are in America with abortion laws. However, I respect the right of people to practice religion privately. I'm a lesbian, and I even respect that some religious people don't like that, as long as they keep it to themselves and it doesn't impact my legal rights. I also think most religious wear (like the Burka or habits) are tools of oppression for women, but I'm strongly opposed to the state interfering with what we wear).

Christianity (and all other branches) and Islam are all anti-gay and all anti women. You only need to look at the history of this country to see how much Christianity has suppressed women, LGBT people, scientific development, and so on. But no one is up in arms about Christianity here. Look at what's happening in America with the zealots in the bible belt. All forms of religious extremism are bad. Unlike America though, our government isn't currently changing laws to persecute people in the name of region.

People use their dislike of Islam as an excuse due to the perception that Christianity=white people and Islam=Muslim immigrants.

And yes, obviously no one wants terrorists and paedos (though I'm not sure how paedos are relevant to this discussion??). Most Muslims though are not terrorists, just how most Christians aren't either. Do you really think second generation British Muslims, who have culturally grown up in British schools, want to live under strict Muslim law, when they enjoy going out on the piss, smoking, and etc?

I dislike the man but where does this end? TERFS being kicked out of restaurants, gay people, anyone with a turban?
If he was loudly spouting his beliefs and upsetting other customers then fine but if they were just having a quiet dinner then no.

There is more terminally gullible

like the ppl who don’t even know what he says, refuse to learn about it by themselves, but totally believe what other ppl claim he said and go to bat publicly for it…

We need to be tolerant, but not mugs.

We need to tolerate free speech. We do not need to tolerate those who oppose free speech.

We need to tolerate religion. We do not need to tolerate those who use religion to subjugate women or claim that homosexuality should be criminalized.

We need to tolerate those who demand the right to love who they want to love... unless they are adults demanding the right to "love" kids, and isnstead we should behave in the most authoritarian and forceful way possible, because paedophilia is pure evil.

We need to be classical liberals, not moronic "anything goes" morons.

I'm so confused about people in this thread saying we need to be tolerant of everyone. If everyone lived by that notion, we'd all be living under Nazi Germany by now. We absolutely do not need to tolerate things like calling black people the N word, comparing Jews to goblins, or any other blatantly racist statement.

That's very different from saying 'let's ban x political party'.

I get it, you're a true believer. Probably held candle lit vigils outside the prison. Perhaps you should practice tolerance for those who don't share your fandom. Try to listen to those who don't drink down everything he says and does. Hear alternative views.

Precisely.

If you are genuinely interested in how ideologically captured academia has become you could Google "The Grievance Studies Affair".

To summarise; 3 academics (Peter Boghossian, Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay) who were concerned that academic research was sacrificing the pursuit of knowledge and truth in favour of a social justice agenda. To test their theory they wrote 20 absolute bullshit papers which covered social justice themes, they managed to get 7 published in peer reviewed journals. Some received glowing reviews from other academics even though the papers were completely made up and in most instances the subject matter was ridiculous. They called the trend of referencing junk science to support junk science "idea laundering" which results in what they describe as a "legitimacy crisis" in academia.

There are videos on YouTube because they documented the whole process.

Speaking of which, I think it's very telling that the plight of a Jewish poster has gone ignored unnoticed on this thread. So much for those social justice warriors eh.

I’ve not claimed to experienced the discrimination the PP refers to, no.

But we are still allowed to not like any form of racism, or discrimination, and not want to eat expensive steak in the vicinity of a known racist.

When I was at university I knew a group of muslims (all brought up in London) - ten of them who all told me to their face that they would make homosexuality illegal if they were in charge, and they all said they would report any gay man they were aware of to the police (one spoke to me privately afterwards and claimed he would not report discreet gay men, only indiscreet ones).

I genuinely believe that if we had a muslim majority in this country we could very very quickly end up in an extremely bad place. I might be wrong.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic gender identity is not, no matter what the gender idealogs say or think.
Also you absolutely can refuse to be treated by a trans identifying male in hospital especially when it comes to an intimate procedure or examination in exactly the same way as you can refuse to be treated by any male, though you will likely have to wait longer to be seen.
Positive discrimination is also illegal in the UK.

Well, you did at least address the posts, which were clearly coming from a place of oppression and loss of hope.

I think the question is "should you leave the restaurant because you do not want to sit near someone who hold different opinions to you, or should they be kicked out because you don't like their opinions".

If I ran a restaurant I would have a rule where I kicked out anyone who thought that they had a right to police the opinions of others.

Oh well if you say so must be true. There is plenty of evidence for those who are curious and take an interest in the world around them (Lord Hermer/Philippe Sands spring to mind) and millions agree with me. As someone who was previously proud of our impartial justice this is extremely depressing. What's your evidence that Starmer isn't hard left? He was a Marxist in the 80s and says he hasn't significantly changed any of his position - for most that is hard left.

One of the men he was dining with was an Indian. Doh.

That does sound plausible that you could do this; because there is a slice of academic that is positively rewarded for advancing novelty. That goes to the grade you get in some cases.

I resist the idea overall that the majority of academic people are a groupthink. My experience is that is not the case. However, my other experience is that people who are not very good at independent thought love a rising balloon and will hang on if they can.