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cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:41

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:41

Put it this way, the comment is right up your street.

Did you understand it? Or read the final edited version?

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:43

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:40

I am. It’s the teacher bit I don’t get.
Edit: which you’ve also changed. Lucky we can see edit histories.

Edited

I haven't changed anything. I'm not the person who posted it. Grin

MatildaMovesMountains · 06/06/2025 20:43

sidebirds · 06/06/2025 17:17

  1. Chap on the left of OP's photo/article (also kicked out) is Indian-British

  2. The media did a good job smearing him. I once vaguely thought the same until I investigated these "objectionable" views. His speech at the Oxford Students Union is a good place to start. I might add that as with his non-white friend in the photo, I am a 'person of colour' myself 🧐

Good of you to provide a beard service for racists!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 06/06/2025 20:46

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 17:02

Being a shit-stirring violent criminal isn't a protected characteristic under the Equality Act so fuck him.

Well quite. And it’s not just “his beliefs” as some are saying l, or “freedom of speech”. He’s committed criminal offences as a result od his so called beliefs, he’s just come out of prison for them - where was quite rightly sent.

There’s no equivalence at all.

BusMumsHoliday · 06/06/2025 20:46

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:50

What evidence is there that this was the reason. Would it be acceptable to refuse service to someone wearing a burka? Face coverings are not religiously mandated after all. I wonder what outrage there would be in that scenario? Screams of racism and islamophobia no doubt.

But only people of a particular religion wear a burka. So if the burka was the only reason you were refusing service that would be denying service based on a protected characteristic.

If you had a universal policy refusing service to people with face coverings, you might need to prove it wasn't indirectly discriminatory. Just like denying service to people who refused to show their hair.

For the millionth time on this thread, being a white nationalist isn't a protected characteristic.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:46

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:43

I haven't changed anything. I'm not the person who posted it. Grin

So you aren’t. The point still stands in a general sense though.

Westfacing · 06/06/2025 20:48

sidebirds · 06/06/2025 17:17

  1. Chap on the left of OP's photo/article (also kicked out) is Indian-British

  2. The media did a good job smearing him. I once vaguely thought the same until I investigated these "objectionable" views. His speech at the Oxford Students Union is a good place to start. I might add that as with his non-white friend in the photo, I am a 'person of colour' myself 🧐

  1. Who is the chap on the left?
  2. What has your colour to do with the price of fish?
Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:49

BusMumsHoliday · 06/06/2025 20:46

But only people of a particular religion wear a burka. So if the burka was the only reason you were refusing service that would be denying service based on a protected characteristic.

If you had a universal policy refusing service to people with face coverings, you might need to prove it wasn't indirectly discriminatory. Just like denying service to people who refused to show their hair.

For the millionth time on this thread, being a white nationalist isn't a protected characteristic.

Did the manager say he wasn't serving Robinson because he was a white nationalist?

QurikySparrowHatrack · 06/06/2025 20:49

Westfacing · 06/06/2025 20:35

The grooming gangs have had a lot of well-deserved publicity over the years - it didn't need Robinson to bring it to public attention.

Prior to his shit-stirring and the illegal activities which sent him to gaol did he ever show any political interest in the wellbeing of young girls and women?

Absolutely. It's not like he's brought anything to the attention of the public that was not already widely reported on.

He is a shameless, dishonest and criminal self-promoter, exploiting the abuse of children for his own personal and financial benefit (and, as noted, he jeopardized a trial when doing so).

His racially-motivated defamation of a 15 year old was also disgusting, and not exactly consistent with someone who has any genuine interest in the safety of children.

How anyone (apart from similar lowlifes and the very gulliable) can support him is beyond me.

MatildaMovesMountains · 06/06/2025 20:50

Westfacing · 06/06/2025 20:48

  1. Who is the chap on the left?
  2. What has your colour to do with the price of fish?

She/he is playing "pick me" by championing racists.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 20:50

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:38

Have you actually seen the Tommy Robinson documentary?

Which one? The one he isn't supposed to show because it continues his agenda?

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:51

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:49

Did the manager say he wasn't serving Robinson because he was a white nationalist?

Nope. From the transcript/recording it seems that no reason was actually given beyond staff safety/comfort.

Hence the Asian man disingenuously asking whether he was being asked to leave due to the colour of his skin.

itsgettingweird · 06/06/2025 20:52

TopographicalTime · 06/06/2025 16:57

Is it legal to refuse service because you don't like someone's political views?

No.

you can legitimately refuse to serve someone as long as it’s not based on them having a protected characteristic.

So you can’t refuse because they are homosexual, trans, black, Muslim etc

But you can refuse if you have a legitimate reason to believe the person may become violent. I think there’s enough evidence with TR to argue that one 👀😂

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:53

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 20:50

Which one? The one he isn't supposed to show because it continues his agenda?

The one that features the story of the Syrian refugee boy allegedly bullied at school. Yes, the one he isn't supposed to show, but it's available to view in full on X. Or at least it was. I'm not sure if it's been forcibly withdrawn?

Have you watched it? All of it?

BusMumsHoliday · 06/06/2025 20:54

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:49

Did the manager say he wasn't serving Robinson because he was a white nationalist?

I'm assuming that staff concerns stemmed from his well-publicized beliefs and tactics of spreading them. But hey, I could be wrong.

What protected characteristic would you suggest might be behind the refusal of service here?

SpottedDonkey · 06/06/2025 20:54

I have no time for Yaxley-Lennon or his views, but as long as he & his friends are peacefully & normally eating in a restaurant, they should be allowed to do so. If I were a restaurant owner, I would welcome them in the same way I would any other customer. If I were a staff member I would have no problem serving them and if I were a fellow customer I would have no problem sharing the space with them.

Velmy · 06/06/2025 20:55

TopographicalTime · 06/06/2025 16:57

Is it legal to refuse service because you don't like someone's political views?

Technically yes. However that's not why they refused service.

You can't legally refuse service based solely on a protected characteristic(s). Not wanting to deal with a known racist, with a history of violence and intimidation, for the safety of your staff/business is a perfectly reasonable reason to refuse service.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:55

QurikySparrowHatrack · 06/06/2025 20:49

Absolutely. It's not like he's brought anything to the attention of the public that was not already widely reported on.

He is a shameless, dishonest and criminal self-promoter, exploiting the abuse of children for his own personal and financial benefit (and, as noted, he jeopardized a trial when doing so).

His racially-motivated defamation of a 15 year old was also disgusting, and not exactly consistent with someone who has any genuine interest in the safety of children.

How anyone (apart from similar lowlifes and the very gulliable) can support him is beyond me.

And I'll ask you the same question. Have you actually watched the documentary? All of it?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 20:56

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:53

The one that features the story of the Syrian refugee boy allegedly bullied at school. Yes, the one he isn't supposed to show, but it's available to view in full on X. Or at least it was. I'm not sure if it's been forcibly withdrawn?

Have you watched it? All of it?

I've seen some of Silenced. It seems to be about persecuting a vulnerable child while dressed up as a search for truth.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:56

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:51

Nope. From the transcript/recording it seems that no reason was actually given beyond staff safety/comfort.

Hence the Asian man disingenuously asking whether he was being asked to leave due to the colour of his skin.

Exactly, yet according to many posters, they know the specific reason for chucking him out. As for Mr Singh, I thought he asked a perfectly legitimate question, as I mentioned earlier in the thread.

jessa15 · 06/06/2025 20:57

You silly, Unbearable brainwashed person.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:57

SpottedDonkey · 06/06/2025 20:54

I have no time for Yaxley-Lennon or his views, but as long as he & his friends are peacefully & normally eating in a restaurant, they should be allowed to do so. If I were a restaurant owner, I would welcome them in the same way I would any other customer. If I were a staff member I would have no problem serving them and if I were a fellow customer I would have no problem sharing the space with them.

Really? I’d leave if I entered a restaurant and he was there. Not interested in being in the same room as him. I wouldn’t want to be ‘serving’ him either. And if I were a business owner I’d worry that people seeing him there might think I agreed with his views.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:57

jessa15 · 06/06/2025 20:57

You silly, Unbearable brainwashed person.

Who, and about what?

DeSoleil · 06/06/2025 20:58

Do you remember the Northern Irish bakery that was fined for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay marriage because of the owner's religious beliefs? They were told by the court that the law states if you are offering a public service you cannot discriminate.

Hope the restaurant loses customers over this pathetic stance.

LakieLady · 06/06/2025 20:58

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:23

Actually the prevalence of abuse per capita is far, far higher among the particular ethnicity of the men in question. As many as 1 in 70 of all the men from this ethnicity from Rotherham were involved in grooming and raping mostly white underage girls. This suggests specific out of proportion problem related to this culture and ethnicity. In the UK, government data shows us that 1 in 4 of all sexual offences is currently perpetrated by migrants. This is way out of kilter in proportion to the number of migrants v's the white male population.

Have you got a link for that government data, please?

I'd like to take a look at it.

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