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BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 20:08

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:08

Wrong - again.

Right. Bang on the money right.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:09

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:04

And that right doesn’t override the right of a business to refuse to serve you for whatever reason they like (as long as it’s not because of a protected characteristic).

So basically if you are of white British ethnicity, straight and able bodied anyone can take a dislike to you for any reason at all and refuse to allow you in their establishment, but if you have at least one protected characteristic then you can be as odious and anti-social as you like and they are stuck with you?

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 20:09

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:06

If he was sitting minding his own business and behaving himself, my feeling is he should have been served. I feel for the restaurant potentially losing business if OTHER patrons decide to exit stage left on seeing him there.

But I'm uncomfortable with the idea of people being refused service just because staff don't happen to like their views. I hold some pretty strong GC views - should I asked be asked to leave a restaurant because of them (granted I'm not a public figure)? Should someone who holds TWAW views be asked to leave if the staff don't happen to agree?

They're there to serve food, not stand in judgement of someone's political views. If the staff felt he posed some sort of threat to their safety (which is possible given his record), that's a different matter.

Feel free to serve him in your restaurant.

That being said, the kind of people who support Our Tommeh are not the kind of people likely to frequent that restaurant so I doubt they'll lose much custom. You're much more likely to find Tommy-Ten-Names supporters in the local flat-roofed pub.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:10

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:09

So basically if you are of white British ethnicity, straight and able bodied anyone can take a dislike to you for any reason at all and refuse to allow you in their establishment, but if you have at least one protected characteristic then you can be as odious and anti-social as you like and they are stuck with you?

If that’s how you want to see it, it tells us all we need to know.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:10

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 20:08

Right. Bang on the money right.

Oh, so only black and Muslim people are victims of discrimination. Didn't you have your arse handed to you on this point on the GB News thread?

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:11

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 20:09

Feel free to serve him in your restaurant.

That being said, the kind of people who support Our Tommeh are not the kind of people likely to frequent that restaurant so I doubt they'll lose much custom. You're much more likely to find Tommy-Ten-Names supporters in the local flat-roofed pub.

I don't have a restaurant, so not really a strong point. Nor was anything else you said remotely relevant to my post.

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:11

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:05

Never read the Mail. I’m not your dear. Robinson nearly brought down a trial by stupid grandstanding. He posted lies about a teenager, admitted they were lies, and continues to pos them. He’s vile, a liar, a grifter and a violent thug.

I am sorry but you have been mis-informed.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:11

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:10

Oh, so only black and Muslim people are victims of discrimination. Didn't you have your arse handed to you on this point on the GB News thread?

No, not just black or Muslim. There are other protected characteristics too, but I was responding to a previous post. As I’m sure you know.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:12

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:11

I am sorry but you have been mis-informed.

The court records will reveal I have not.

SeriaMau · 06/06/2025 20:12

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:09

So basically if you are of white British ethnicity, straight and able bodied anyone can take a dislike to you for any reason at all and refuse to allow you in their establishment, but if you have at least one protected characteristic then you can be as odious and anti-social as you like and they are stuck with you?

No. You just can’t ban them because they are black or Muslim etc. But you can ban them if they call for beheading infidels or whatever.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:12

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:12

The court records will reveal I have not.

😆 🤣

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 20:12

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:11

I don't have a restaurant, so not really a strong point. Nor was anything else you said remotely relevant to my post.

You don't have a restaurant? Gosh, you seem to think you're very well informed about how they should be run. Fancy that.

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 20:13

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:10

Oh, so only black and Muslim people are victims of discrimination. Didn't you have your arse handed to you on this point on the GB News thread?

No I didn’t. You and your mates thought I had. You were wrong. Just like you’re wrong here.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:13

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:11

No, not just black or Muslim. There are other protected characteristics too, but I was responding to a previous post. As I’m sure you know.

I'm actually beginning to wonder if you know what a protected characteristic is.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:14

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:09

For anyone who doesn't believe the grooming gang problem, or understand why it is so serious, and why Tommy is trying to highlight the problem, try here:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/23/the-grooming-gangs-scandal-is-far-worse-than-you-think/

And here:

https://jennyeholland.substack.com/p/watch-this-film-at-your-own-risk

Truly shocking stuff.

Any thoughts about white abusers? Who are in the majority?
Yes. The rape gang scandals are terrible. There’s more to sexual exploitation than just them though.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:14

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 20:13

No I didn’t. You and your mates thought I had. You were wrong. Just like you’re wrong here.

The poster was saying only back people and Muslims were protected. I advised she was wrong. Why are only those two groups protected?

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:15

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:12

The court records will reveal I have not.

You're talking bollocks about which you know very little.

Westfacing · 06/06/2025 20:16

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:09

So basically if you are of white British ethnicity, straight and able bodied anyone can take a dislike to you for any reason at all and refuse to allow you in their establishment, but if you have at least one protected characteristic then you can be as odious and anti-social as you like and they are stuck with you?

No, that's not how it is.

They are not stuck with you - if you are odious and anti-social.

Having a protected characteristic means you can't be banned solely for your characteristic e.g. skin colour, religion, disability, etc.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:16

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:13

I'm actually beginning to wonder if you know what a protected characteristic is.

I know. Look at the wording of the post I responded to.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:17

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:14

The poster was saying only back people and Muslims were protected. I advised she was wrong. Why are only those two groups protected?

I didn’t say that at all. I said out of the suggestions in the post I responded to that black and Muslim were protected characteristics.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:17

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:15

You're talking bollocks about which you know very little.

Nope

Yellowshirt · 06/06/2025 20:17

Jujujudo · 06/06/2025 16:55

Freedom of speech and all…. But I suppose if we live in a world where Jews are denied access into certain places based on them being Jewish, then this sort of thing will also just become acceptable.

@Jujujudo . We are also living in a world watching Israel starve people to death and killing innocent people.
The world should be coming together against Israel even if it means war

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:18

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:17

I didn’t say that at all. I said out of the suggestions in the post I responded to that black and Muslim were protected characteristics.

Oh I see, in all the emotion, it's hard to decipher fact from rhetoric.

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:18

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 20:12

You don't have a restaurant? Gosh, you seem to think you're very well informed about how they should be run. Fancy that.

I made a mild remark about MY view being that he should have been served. In fact, he WAS served, and only asked to leave midway through, which seems like bad form (imo).

Nowhere did I say I thought it should be illegal to refuse him service.

OP posted a thread in AIBU asking for opinions and I gave MY opinion that I am uncomfortable with the idea of refusing people service because servers happen to disagree with their views. I did not suggest that I thought there should be a change in the law. Surely I'm allowed to be uncomfortable with something and express that opinion on a thread explicitly asking for opinions on the subject?

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