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TooBigForMyBoots · 06/06/2025 19:57

Never2many · 06/06/2025 19:52

And of course this has everything to do with who he is and noothing to do with the huge amount of publicity this will bring the restaurant. Cynical?

This is pure virtue signalling on their part. They’ve not banned him because of who and what he is, they’ve banned him because they know who he is. They will be serving despicable characters every day of the week, but because those people are anonymous they will be given the same service as everyone else.

This is a pure publicity stunt and nothing more.

And if it isn’t then it’s a dangerous road to go down.

It’s easy to turn around and say that you think good on them for banning a racist. But what about other views? We all have some view which someone will not agree with, should you be banned from places for holding those views?

The restaurant didn't make this public. Tommy's mate did.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:57

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:50

What evidence is there that this was the reason. Would it be acceptable to refuse service to someone wearing a burka? Face coverings are not religiously mandated after all. I wonder what outrage there would be in that scenario? Screams of racism and islamophobia no doubt.

What evidence do you want? He’s a violent thug. I wouldn’t want h8m on my premises either, were I a business owner.

CommonAsMucklowe · 06/06/2025 19:57

Deerrobin · 06/06/2025 17:03

Surely Mr Yaxley-Lennon is a fan of ‘management reserves the right to refuse custom….’ ?

Being a racist dickhead isn’t a protected characteristic like religion so not really the same as refusing custom on that basis.

A racist dickhead who is sat next to his best mate who is Asian? Ok.

mumda · 06/06/2025 19:58

user101101 · 06/06/2025 16:53

Did he harass someone in the restaurant? Why was he thrown out? If it’s just due to his views then I think this is wrong. What if everyone decided to not serve Christians or something

Or not serve people who believe humans can't change sex.

DuesToTheDirt · 06/06/2025 19:58

I don't agree with this. Unless he is causing trouble in the restaurant, or is rude to staff or customers, or has previously done so, I think they should have served him. Finding his politics objectionable politics is not a good reason - as others have said, what about ex-criminals, or people with a religion you don't agree with, or other political views?

Morningsleepin · 06/06/2025 19:58

Jujujudo · 06/06/2025 16:55

Freedom of speech and all…. But I suppose if we live in a world where Jews are denied access into certain places based on them being Jewish, then this sort of thing will also just become acceptable.

Where has that happened?

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:59

Parky04 · 06/06/2025 19:51

Agree, and now the restaurant will face numerous protests. Was it really worth it? Time will tell, but I would guess not!

Will they though? I don’t think old ten names has quite the level of support you think. And even if they do, more people are anti TTN than pro.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:59

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:57

What evidence do you want? He’s a violent thug. I wouldn’t want h8m on my premises either, were I a business owner.

Why do you keep speaking on behalf of the establishment? Fortunately, whoever handled this situation, did so in a calm and reasoned manner.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:01

Never2many · 06/06/2025 19:52

And of course this has everything to do with who he is and noothing to do with the huge amount of publicity this will bring the restaurant. Cynical?

This is pure virtue signalling on their part. They’ve not banned him because of who and what he is, they’ve banned him because they know who he is. They will be serving despicable characters every day of the week, but because those people are anonymous they will be given the same service as everyone else.

This is a pure publicity stunt and nothing more.

And if it isn’t then it’s a dangerous road to go down.

It’s easy to turn around and say that you think good on them for banning a racist. But what about other views? We all have some view which someone will not agree with, should you be banned from places for holding those views?

How are they supposed to ban violent criminal racists they don’t know? Tommy is identifiable because he wants to be.

HPFA · 06/06/2025 20:01

JamieCannister · 06/06/2025 18:00

It would not surprise me if he sues and wins, dependent on the precise circumstances and precisely the reason given for refusing to serve him.

You are completely right right on your other point, though. This is great news for him and his supporters, and will only cause more and more people who believe in free speech and freedom of belief to turn against labour and the tories and vote reform instead. Note - I am not saying they will get more free speech and freedom of belief from reform

Looking at the example of the USA Reforms idea of free speech will be allowing it for those who agree with them.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:02

i suppose it must be. I wonder if it's also therefore legal to refuse to serve someone because they are Muslim, or black, or you don't like how they vote, or their accent, or the fact that they are wearing a rainbow badge.

It's like Coutts cancelling Nigel Farage's bank account. All the people gloating and crowing over it, be careful what you wish for, is all I can say. It's only funny and clever when it's not happening to you or someone just like you. It's one step closer to living in the Handmaid's Tale.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:02

CommonAsMucklowe · 06/06/2025 19:57

A racist dickhead who is sat next to his best mate who is Asian? Ok.

Surely not the ‘one of my best friends is black’ defence in 2025? Woeful.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:02

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:59

Why do you keep speaking on behalf of the establishment? Fortunately, whoever handled this situation, did so in a calm and reasoned manner.

Eh?

Hoardasurass · 06/06/2025 20:03

ByCyanMoose · 06/06/2025 17:29

Individual business owners draw the line, and I see no problem with that. He has a right to whatever odious opinions he may hold. He does not have a right to be served by decent people.

Your wrong the odious little toad of a man has exactly the same right to service people as you or I do, as that's the way the law works

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:04

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:47

I have. Hence I know you haven’t.

Yeah of course you have dear, from the BBC and Daily Mail no doubt!

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 20:04

Hoardasurass · 06/06/2025 20:03

Your wrong the odious little toad of a man has exactly the same right to service people as you or I do, as that's the way the law works

The way the law works is that a business owner can refuse to serve anyone they like. There is no right to service. How do you think pub landlords manage to bar people?

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:04

Hoardasurass · 06/06/2025 20:03

Your wrong the odious little toad of a man has exactly the same right to service people as you or I do, as that's the way the law works

And that right doesn’t override the right of a business to refuse to serve you for whatever reason they like (as long as it’s not because of a protected characteristic).

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 20:05

DuesToTheDirt · 06/06/2025 19:58

I don't agree with this. Unless he is causing trouble in the restaurant, or is rude to staff or customers, or has previously done so, I think they should have served him. Finding his politics objectionable politics is not a good reason - as others have said, what about ex-criminals, or people with a religion you don't agree with, or other political views?

Once again for those who have trouble keeping up:

Religious views are a protected characteristic under the Equality Act and so you cannot bar someone for being a member of a religion you don't like. Being a violent, fraudster, coke-addled thug isn't a protected characteristic therefore the restaurant was free to refuse service to Yaxley Lennon.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:05

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 20:04

Yeah of course you have dear, from the BBC and Daily Mail no doubt!

Never read the Mail. I’m not your dear. Robinson nearly brought down a trial by stupid grandstanding. He posted lies about a teenager, admitted they were lies, and continues to pos them. He’s vile, a liar, a grifter and a violent thug.

Butchyrestingface · 06/06/2025 20:06

If he was sitting minding his own business and behaving himself, my feeling is he should have been served. I feel for the restaurant potentially losing business if OTHER patrons decide to exit stage left on seeing him there.

But I'm uncomfortable with the idea of people being refused service just because staff don't happen to like their views. I hold some pretty strong GC views - should I asked be asked to leave a restaurant because of them (granted I'm not a public figure)? Should someone who holds TWAW views be asked to leave if the staff don't happen to agree?

They're there to serve food, not stand in judgement of someone's political views. If the staff felt he posed some sort of threat to their safety (which is possible given his record), that's a different matter.

SecondVerseSameAsThe1st · 06/06/2025 20:06

I would rather stab myself in the eye with a spork and eat instant ramen forever than sit near that scumbag while I eat my very expensive dinner.

🤣😂😂🤣

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:07

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 06/06/2025 20:02

i suppose it must be. I wonder if it's also therefore legal to refuse to serve someone because they are Muslim, or black, or you don't like how they vote, or their accent, or the fact that they are wearing a rainbow badge.

It's like Coutts cancelling Nigel Farage's bank account. All the people gloating and crowing over it, be careful what you wish for, is all I can say. It's only funny and clever when it's not happening to you or someone just like you. It's one step closer to living in the Handmaid's Tale.

Being black or a Muslim are protected characteristics.
For everything else, any business proprietor can decide who to serve. Or not serve.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 20:07

Hoardasurass · 06/06/2025 20:03

Your wrong the odious little toad of a man has exactly the same right to service people as you or I do, as that's the way the law works

Your [sic] wrong.

A place of business is free to choose who they do or do not wish to trade with, provided the reason is not because of a protected characteristic.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 20:08

cardibach · 06/06/2025 20:07

Being black or a Muslim are protected characteristics.
For everything else, any business proprietor can decide who to serve. Or not serve.

Wrong - again.

SeriaMau · 06/06/2025 20:08

JamieCannister · 06/06/2025 17:55

Can you evidence him being a white nationalist?

What?!!!! I think he would be very happy to agree that he is.

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