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User32459 · 06/06/2025 19:45

sualipa · 06/06/2025 19:05

Calrkson has banned Starmer from his pub.

If it's his pub then that's his choice. It's not up to the bar staff.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:45

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:44

Refusing someone service because you don't like their political views is a form of persecution.

What if you refuse because of their proven violent history?

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:45

harriethoyle · 06/06/2025 19:44

Nope. Definitely not. Spent my career acting for claimants in discrimination cases so your radar is WAY off. HTH! 😚

So you're against discrimination? Interesting then that this incident has amused you.

harriethoyle · 06/06/2025 19:46

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:44

Refusing someone service because you don't like their political views is a form of persecution.

Ummmm. No it’s not. He has the right to say what he says. Other people have the right to react to, and act upon, that.

As a PP said, fuck around and find out.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 19:46

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:41

Still none the wiser.

I get that.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/06/2025 19:46

PMSL at all the eejits who think being a violent, racist criminal is a protected characteristic.😅

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 19:46

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:41

Every Bit of this is bollocks. No point in explaining why, you already know but have decided not to care.

Except it isn't bollocks. I wish it was, but if you'd actually looked into this, rather than believe everything the lying media tell you, then you'd soon realise.

Nanny0gg · 06/06/2025 19:46

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:34

Clarkson is making a stand for British farmers. I don't agree with his ban on pepper, but that's because I'm a massive pepper fan. As everyone has said, management reserve the right to refuse service. Moaning Minnie can get a cheap pie at Spoons.

I don't understand his ban on ketchup.

Tiptree jams make ketchup

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:47

Nanny0gg · 06/06/2025 19:46

I don't understand his ban on ketchup.

Tiptree jams make ketchup

I quite agree.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:47

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 19:46

Except it isn't bollocks. I wish it was, but if you'd actually looked into this, rather than believe everything the lying media tell you, then you'd soon realise.

I have. Hence I know you haven’t.

Hoardasurass · 06/06/2025 19:47

TopographicalTime · 06/06/2025 16:57

Is it legal to refuse service because you don't like someone's political views?

No it's discrimination based on belief and he can now successfully sue the restaurant.
When you find yourself in this sort of situation the manager serves the customer and sacks the staff who refused to serve him or face going bankrupt paying for legal fees and compensation.
Whilst this couldn't have happened to a more deserving person it was ridiculously stupid of the restaurant manager.

ThePoshUns · 06/06/2025 19:47

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/06/2025 17:02

Being a shit-stirring violent criminal isn't a protected characteristic under the Equality Act so fuck him.

Love this, couldn’t put it better myself.

harriethoyle · 06/06/2025 19:47

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:45

So you're against discrimination? Interesting then that this incident has amused you.

🥱🥱🥱

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RobertaFirmino · 06/06/2025 19:49

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:44

Refusing someone service because you don't like their political views is a form of persecution.

Well then, that grotty little man can have a taste of his own medicine, can't he.

Brainstorm23 · 06/06/2025 19:49

MumbleBumbleAppleCrumble · 06/06/2025 16:57

When I was at uni I used to work for an events staffing agency. You’d be sent off all over the city and sometimes the country to help waiter/bar at weddings and corporate things and such. While you would be told what company you were going to work for, you never knew who their client was or the type of event until you got there. Sometimes it would be brilliant things like film premieres, often dreadfully dull corporate canapé functions. On one occasion we arrived and discovered it was the UKIP conference. We were all rather furious, but decided carry on and just be incredibly charming and lovely as per usual (we were expecting them to be awful and rude to the staff). At one point one of the UKIP people came up to me (I was a manager) and started telling me how lovely it was to see such polite and well spoken staff at something like this, as usually waiting staff can barely speak the language. ‘Well done to the caterer for employing people who can actually speak to you!’ He pointed out a particularly charming barman who had just served him. I smiled, thanked him, and said that yes, Krzysztof, was indeed charming, indeed he was currently in his final year at UCL studying maths and that we had always found that he and our other Polish and Romanian (etc) staff tended to be far better than the gap year students we also employed. Their manners and work ethic were beyond compare.

Mr UKIP wasn’t happy…

I work in IT and at one point the BNP wanted us to take them on as a client. It was all very cloak and dagger and they didn't say they were the BNP. They pretended to be a marketing / call centre business. Luckily literally a few days later there was a big exposé in the local Sunday paper.

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 19:49

No it's discrimination based on belief and he can now successfully sue the restaurant.

No it isn’t and no he can’t. The proprietor of a private business can serve whoever they choose on the premises they own.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:49

harriethoyle · 06/06/2025 19:47

🥱🥱🥱

I only ask because I didn't see you step in when equality legislation was being discussed. Not quite sure why you have responded to a valid point with a yawn. Really quite bizarre.

sualipa · 06/06/2025 19:50

They drew the line when he asked for gammon - they have standards !

StressedStepmum36 · 06/06/2025 19:50

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 19:46

Except it isn't bollocks. I wish it was, but if you'd actually looked into this, rather than believe everything the lying media tell you, then you'd soon realise.

Well they’re not trying to hide it, are they. We’re all familiar with Rotherham.

What they’re not doing is blaming all brown people or immigrants for it, because that would be a bit like thinking all doctors are Harold Shipman.

Nobody, with any level of common sense, is watching both Tommy Robinson and Jordan Peterson at the same time. I mean, grim - not thank you. I would try and listen to a single word Mr Yaxley-Lennon says, but I can’t hear him over the I’M A MASSIVE RACIST overtones.

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:50

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:45

What if you refuse because of their proven violent history?

What evidence is there that this was the reason. Would it be acceptable to refuse service to someone wearing a burka? Face coverings are not religiously mandated after all. I wonder what outrage there would be in that scenario? Screams of racism and islamophobia no doubt.

Parky04 · 06/06/2025 19:51

harriethoyle · 06/06/2025 19:46

Ummmm. No it’s not. He has the right to say what he says. Other people have the right to react to, and act upon, that.

As a PP said, fuck around and find out.

Agree, and now the restaurant will face numerous protests. Was it really worth it? Time will tell, but I would guess not!

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 19:51

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:50

What evidence is there that this was the reason. Would it be acceptable to refuse service to someone wearing a burka? Face coverings are not religiously mandated after all. I wonder what outrage there would be in that scenario? Screams of racism and islamophobia no doubt.

Bit difficult to eat in a burka.

Owmyelbow · 06/06/2025 19:52

Good. If I owned a business I wouldn't want it linked to him in any way. Other than being the place that chucked him out. Well done to them!

Never2many · 06/06/2025 19:52

And of course this has everything to do with who he is and noothing to do with the huge amount of publicity this will bring the restaurant. Cynical?

This is pure virtue signalling on their part. They’ve not banned him because of who and what he is, they’ve banned him because they know who he is. They will be serving despicable characters every day of the week, but because those people are anonymous they will be given the same service as everyone else.

This is a pure publicity stunt and nothing more.

And if it isn’t then it’s a dangerous road to go down.

It’s easy to turn around and say that you think good on them for banning a racist. But what about other views? We all have some view which someone will not agree with, should you be banned from places for holding those views?

sualipa · 06/06/2025 19:56

Hoardasurass · 06/06/2025 19:47

No it's discrimination based on belief and he can now successfully sue the restaurant.
When you find yourself in this sort of situation the manager serves the customer and sacks the staff who refused to serve him or face going bankrupt paying for legal fees and compensation.
Whilst this couldn't have happened to a more deserving person it was ridiculously stupid of the restaurant manager.

Let him sue then using those no dount prejudiced courts to seek redress.

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