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sualipa · 06/06/2025 19:32

QurikySparrowHatrack · 06/06/2025 19:31

In what way is it a slippery slope?

Private business have always, subject only to limited exceptions, been able to refuse service to potential customers on the basis of the potential customer's views or personal history. It doesn't happen all that often because it usually isnt good for business, but if the slope was all that slippery, why haven't we slid further down it over the past centuries?

Plus they don't know Mr Anon's views from anyone else so they get in under the radar.

WooleyMunky · 06/06/2025 19:32

Stephen Yaxley Lennon should enjoy the same restaurant privileges as the late Michael Winner, and accept that his drinks, soup, and sauces are all filled with spunk and piss from all of the staff, friends of the staff, and any proper-thinking customers of said restaurant.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 19:33

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:26

I don't think you're doing the cause for fighting racism any good. So an alleged racist can't be the subject of racism now? As for the context of the incident, the restaurant took the line of least resistance. That didn't stop the gentleman having the right to ask if his party was being asked to leave because of his skin colour. You either do or don't get to speak on behalf of ethnic minority groups. I will answer it for you, you don't.

I'll exercise my right to free speech and I'd appreciate it if you stop dictating what I can or can't say.

It's hardly likely that a restaurant would let in ethnic minorites if they had a habit of refusing to serve them. Some of us have common sense.

I'm sure if he genuinely believed he was refused service because of racial discrimination, he'll take the restaurant to court and sue.

CheeseNPickle3 · 06/06/2025 19:33

I think what makes me feel uneasy about this is that it seems so straightforward. He's not a nice guy (understatement) and I wouldn't want to be associated with him. The restaurant does have the right to serve/refuse anyone (discrimination excepted) so from that point of view it all looks great.

However... he was (AFAIK) just acting as an ordinary customer at the time. Presumably the people who are happy with this consider themselves to be tolerant, inclusive and have all the "right" views. There's a certain amount of glee here that he's been embarrassed and inconvenienced. How happy would you be for the same thing to happen to someone who you did like/agree with? Would you be sticking up for the restaurant's rights not to serve them or would you be unhappy with them being judge and jury?

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:34

sualipa · 06/06/2025 19:29

And someone who complained about a £24 pie ! Hawksmoor will do well from this - a lot of Tomees fan base would struggle coppering up for a happy meal - doubly so if they have dug deep for a griftfunder campaign.

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/jeremy-clarkson-pub-oxfordshire-b1231584.html

Clarkson is making a stand for British farmers. I don't agree with his ban on pepper, but that's because I'm a massive pepper fan. As everyone has said, management reserve the right to refuse service. Moaning Minnie can get a cheap pie at Spoons.

Zebedee999 · 06/06/2025 19:34

harriethoyle · 06/06/2025 16:44

… AIBU to enjoy this?!

If you spout objectionable views, don’t be surprised if people object to you!

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/tommy-robinson-kicked-out-hawksmoor-london-b1231594.html

At a guess had you been around in the 50's you'd be supporting discrimination against black and Irish customers? No harm in being civil to all comers... why promote division? Where will it end when everyone refuses to be civil with everyone they don't agree with?.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:35

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:15

😆 🤣 😂 😹 and Hammond. Difference is, Clarkson has a sense of humour. No wonder he's another one who's hated on MN.

I hate him because he’s a nasty, misogynistic, racist bully. What is it you like about him?

WooleyMunky · 06/06/2025 19:35

12doublerolls · 06/06/2025 18:47

Shame on that restaurant. You don’t throw people out for sitting eating a meal just because you don’t like them. I’ve never believed that Tommy is a racist, he’s just a man bringing to light what the mainstream media won’t, and they just keep throwing him in jail to silence him. If being concerned about the state of the country you grew up in and shining light on the grooming gangs that the media won’t show makes you a racist then we’re in big trouble.

But if you are so dumb to think that he is actually called Tommy...

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:36

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 19:33

I'll exercise my right to free speech and I'd appreciate it if you stop dictating what I can or can't say.

It's hardly likely that a restaurant would let in ethnic minorites if they had a habit of refusing to serve them. Some of us have common sense.

I'm sure if he genuinely believed he was refused service because of racial discrimination, he'll take the restaurant to court and sue.

I didn't get past your first sentence 😂 irony overload.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 19:36

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:36

I didn't get past your first sentence 😂 irony overload.

You're a wag and no mistake.

StMarie4me · 06/06/2025 19:36

user101101 · 06/06/2025 16:53

Did he harass someone in the restaurant? Why was he thrown out? If it’s just due to his views then I think this is wrong. What if everyone decided to not serve Christians or something

In a private business they can throw someone out because they don’t like him.

They can’t do that because someone’s Christian bearcat would be illegal, in contravention of the Equality Act 2010.

Okay stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 19:37

Tommy Robinson, however brash, challenges the establishment who are doing their best to cover up the rape gang scandal where thousands of underage British girls were systematically drugged, tortured, raped and abused by men of non-british origin, from a culture where women are seen as second class citizens and brides are often forced to marry, and become fair game at the point of puberty.

The government are trying to cover it up because it blows their 'multiculturalism is always good' argument into the weeds, and because this all happened on their watch, usually in Labour council run areas, often with local councillors and police complicit of ignoring the underage victims trying to report their rapes to the authorities.

The reporting of Tommy in the mainstream media is dis-honest and ons-sided in the extreme, and those who believe what is said about him in the press really do need to listen to the other side of the argument, from Tommy himself, to see what has actually been going on. I suggest you listen to Tommy's interview with Jordan Peterson, or Ezra Levant for a start.

Only having done this are any of you in a position to comment on that which most of you so clearly know absolutely nothing about.

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 19:37

It’s the restaurant owners’ right to serve or refuse to serve whoever they wish. If I had a restaurant I wouldn’t be prepared to accept the loss of business associated with serving the likes of Tommy Robinson. There are plenty of people who wouldn’t visit establishments who are prepared to accept him as a customer.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:38

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 19:36

You're a wag and no mistake.

Sorry, care to tell me what that is.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 19:39

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:38

Sorry, care to tell me what that is.

You're witty, very droll.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:41

Creativetype · 06/06/2025 19:37

Tommy Robinson, however brash, challenges the establishment who are doing their best to cover up the rape gang scandal where thousands of underage British girls were systematically drugged, tortured, raped and abused by men of non-british origin, from a culture where women are seen as second class citizens and brides are often forced to marry, and become fair game at the point of puberty.

The government are trying to cover it up because it blows their 'multiculturalism is always good' argument into the weeds, and because this all happened on their watch, usually in Labour council run areas, often with local councillors and police complicit of ignoring the underage victims trying to report their rapes to the authorities.

The reporting of Tommy in the mainstream media is dis-honest and ons-sided in the extreme, and those who believe what is said about him in the press really do need to listen to the other side of the argument, from Tommy himself, to see what has actually been going on. I suggest you listen to Tommy's interview with Jordan Peterson, or Ezra Levant for a start.

Only having done this are any of you in a position to comment on that which most of you so clearly know absolutely nothing about.

Every Bit of this is bollocks. No point in explaining why, you already know but have decided not to care.

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:41

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/06/2025 19:39

You're witty, very droll.

Still none the wiser.

cardibach · 06/06/2025 19:42

This is the thought process, I reckon.

Tommy Robinson asked to leave a restaurant because staff felt uncomfortable serving him…
TaggieO · 06/06/2025 19:42

MoreChocPls · 06/06/2025 17:09

I get it but it’s wrong.

Think of it as the restaurant exercising their right to control their borders.

ThriveAT · 06/06/2025 19:43

user101101 · 06/06/2025 16:53

Did he harass someone in the restaurant? Why was he thrown out? If it’s just due to his views then I think this is wrong. What if everyone decided to not serve Christians or something

Oh really? And what if the serving staff are - GOD FORBID- immigrants? Stop this faux, naive nonsense.

ThriveAT · 06/06/2025 19:43

TaggieO · 06/06/2025 19:42

Think of it as the restaurant exercising their right to control their borders.

Love this, big time!!!

harriethoyle · 06/06/2025 19:44

Zebedee999 · 06/06/2025 19:34

At a guess had you been around in the 50's you'd be supporting discrimination against black and Irish customers? No harm in being civil to all comers... why promote division? Where will it end when everyone refuses to be civil with everyone they don't agree with?.

Nope. Definitely not. Spent my career acting for claimants in discrimination cases so your radar is WAY off. HTH! 😚

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StressedStepmum36 · 06/06/2025 19:44

Dangermoo · 06/06/2025 19:38

Sorry, care to tell me what that is.

Footballer’s wife isn’t it? Is that you, Mrs Terry?

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:44

BusMumsHoliday · 06/06/2025 18:20

"First They Came" is about not speaking out because you're not part of a group that's being persecuted; it's not about tolerating anyone's right to say anything without them having to face consequences.

Freedom of speech doesn't extend to freedom from consequences of that speech. Tommy Robinson can espouse views (within the law) and other people can respond as they see fit on the basis of those views (within the law).

Refusing someone service because you don't like their political views is a form of persecution.

BIossomtoes · 06/06/2025 19:45

MerlinsBeard1 · 06/06/2025 19:44

Refusing someone service because you don't like their political views is a form of persecution.

Is it bollocks.

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