Sophie Ellis-Bextor concert. Ugh

[IOnlyWantSexMoneyPowerAndRevenge]

Saw her last week. Good fun. I missed the opportunity to wear my glittery Christmas dress though.

We all know she has legs that go on for days and likes to show them off (so would I if I had them!). At various points during the show she had to bend over (dropped something and so on). Every single time, at least one man wolf whistled. One man started and then others thought it was OK to join in.

I mean, really? They weren't sat near me or I would have said something. It pissed me right off. We were there to sing and dance to a bit of disco and grotty men insist on making their thoughts knoen about how attractive she is. As if anyone cares.

Most of the audience were 50+ which somehow made it even more grim.

Yuk just yuk.

Yeah I agree with you there. I'm not condoning it, I was replying to the poster who was trying to turn the tables and saying, actually, I think pop acts in particular are 100% aware that pop and a sexual image go hand in hand (and always have done) and have ways as performers of putting up a barrier against that. Even when they are playing up to it in their act. (Harry Styles not SEB, I have never seen her live.)

But yeah, would I prefer that shitty men didn't wolf whistle at artists, or worse? Yes I absolutely would.

Didn’t take long.

I couldn't get worked up about this.

As a previous poster said, if she was in a short dress and kept bending over, she did know exactly what she was doing. Plus there are other ways to pick something up from the floor, and if you must bend over to do it, you don't have to bend with your arse to the audience.

Not really tbh, I'm so exhausted with this stuff it's hard to be articulate. All I can say is that 'empowerment' is a ridiculous word reserved for people who have to be given power by the people who always have power no matter how 'sexually suggestive' they are.

We all know she has legs that go on for days and likes to show them off

Careful, OP. That sounds perilously close to that DM favourite 'flaunting'.

So was she 'showing them off'

or...were they just...her legs?

How about: She was wearing a really short skirt because it was practical for her dance routines.

(Yes, of course wolf whistling is grim).

Now? It always has been.

Erm, yes, it can be.

Don’t some people do wolf whistling in a jokey way? If someone on stage was bending over with their arse to the audience numerous times some in the audience might just do it in a jokey way to participate like cheering and clapping.

I don't think there's anything wrong with showing off her legs - they are great, they're slim and long and look lovely. It doesn't have to be practical. To my mind there is zero issue with acknowledging that you're beautiful and sexy - the human body is lovely and great to look at. Her legs were genuinely mesmerising. Wolf whistling is rude and mean and not how you should treat a performer you ostensibly admire. It has nothing to do with having to paint the performer's choices as practical.

Was it definitely men doing it? Most of the wolf whistles I've seen in the last 10 years or so have been women doing it to other women as a "Ooh, look at you aren't you hot" kind of compliment.

I agree. Most of the artist these days have really good voices but have to be beautiful and sexy and wear next to nothing. Why can't they just get by with talent alone.

A friend went to see Tom Jones on his tour last year. We joked that she should take some spare knickers to throw at him, like in the 1960s. When she got back she told us that two pairs of knickers were actually thrown on stage during the show!

And men can seem to get seem to get by without being drop dead gorgeous, look at Lewis Capaldi. His female equivalent would not get far.

It sounds like your knowledge of female performers is pretty limited.

Look again at what the OP said. She made the distinction plain enough.

I was thinking of Sabrina Carpenter, her act is to get the men whistling. It is very sexual.

I didn't see Sophie Ellis-Bextor's performance so I wouldn't know.

So one confirmed person wolf whistled at a concert and you start a thread on mumsnet?

I do get that men objectifying women generally is a problem, but I don’t think posts like this are furthering the feminist cause in the way that you think you might be.

What a truly weird criticism.

It’s even more grim that 50+ year old men are at a Sophie Ellis-Bextor concert, what by themselves? With their bro squad? I mean presumably with their partners, otherwise how the hell did the even wind up there? Extra grim when you are on a date night out.

so because women are fully aware that many men are pigs (I await the deletion) we should take on the responsibility of policing theif behavioyr by way of curtailing what we wear, how we look, how we doesnt, how we act, where we go, what we do?

Blessed be the fruit

She’s been given a miraculous second chance, and she’s making the most of it. I would too if I looked like her

Why? @Notyomama

Totally irrelevant to the conversation but she sang a couple of folsky-type slow ballads and they were amazing. I think that kind of singing suits her voice way better and I'd love to hear more of it.

You posted just to tell her off for posting. The 'advancing the feminist cause' remark makes no sense.

The sang young blood and a pessimist is never disappointed at the one I saw.

(I always want to type yungblud)