To agree with increasing tax and more benefit cuts to pay for defence

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I was surprised to hear that Labour is to spend more on defence. We really do need to with the threats from Russia and run down of weapon stocks because they have been given to Ukraine. All of Europe needs to wake up. But I think they realise this.

What do you mean 'put a stop' to this?

Put a stop to what - forriners investing in the UK? Capital controls? Closing our borders no doubt - how predictable.

Which country does similar?

I’d say good luck if you do and I hope you have deep pockets to make up the increasing shortfall.

Put a stop to this ??

The right for People to have control over their own money you mean.
People can take it and their investments
wherever they please. They have that right and always should

Any further controls and we’ll see lots more leaving. Why would they stay and be ‘patriotic’ to a country that treats them and their wealth with such resentment. Being patriotic works both ways and if more people paid into the system we might see more gains to the wider population through that and a happier and more fulfilled society. Maybe even more patriotism…..you never know

personally I’d like more money to go to the nhs, education and defence.

The changes will mean that the most disabled - those PIP was intended for - will still quality.

However, the UK's rates of disability have risen rapidly since PIP was moved to a self-assessment form where online influencers advise people to commit fraud complete the form for their worst day and in-person assessment has been removed.

No other country has seen such a rapid increase in the disabled. And no other country has such an approach.

37% of the working age population in Northern Ireland claim disability benefits. The rate in the Republic of Ireland is 6.4%.

The changes will mean that the most disabled - those PIP was intended for - will still quality

It has been explained on here that is simply not the case.
It is all a numbers game. A lot of severely disabled people will no longer qualify

Big difference so called 'pensioners' have paid tax and NI into the UK system for often 40 years.

So called 'Asylum seekers' have not paid a penny into the UK system so should not be prioritised to take money out in UC.

You forget, they won’t actually have much choice. People will use peer pressure to insist that you fight for your country by handing you a feather if you refuse to to humiliate you and at the same time cutting your benefits to the point where joining the army for three square meals a day will seem like an exceptionally good idea

I will be taking my own life before I am forced to be in the position to take anothers.

Feathers? We are not in 1914. The world has moved on massively. Conscription wouldn't work now.

The patriotism in many comes once they’ve joined up
Ive seen it in kids doing ccf and in some from my boys school moving to the forces after school.
A clear change occurs.

Can you imagine the reaction if someone handed you a feather.
No one would give a toss.

We don’t jail people either if people refuse to fight.

There will, of course, be more people available to sign up as both men and women will be ‘up for grabs’

Bye 👋

I do agree that we need to increase defence spending. I’m not sure where savings are to be made tax is already stonkingly high. Benefits are tight. I think s major issue is age/ health of population. I’m only 46 I work full time but I feel dreadful a lot of the time. I was diagnosed with Lyme disease a few years ago and feel exhausted with exertion so have to pace myself, my gallbladder is fucked with stones and has caused a dilated bile duct and my Alts are not great. Also I think I’m developing some sort of osteoarthritis in my right hip it really hurts to sit for any length of time ( which I do anyway as need to drive for a living).

Im pretty sure unless I am going to drop dead NHS are not interested. Gp happy to prescribe drugs anti inflammatory, anti spasmodics which can keep me going but won’t fix anything. I don’t think I’m unusual I think there are lots of middle aged people with various conditions who just keep plodding onwards until they can’t.

I know a nurse who is being medically retired as needs a knee replacement but at 48 is too young for example. They’ll probably get some form of UC, Pip, mobility etc which isn’t really enough to live on but enough to keep going with. Or you know NHS could do knee replacement they could return to work and earn a living saving money in long run but it’s not a priority due to their age which is bonkers.

Cuts and tax rises are an inevitability, and I agree it’s the first obligation of the state to protect its citizens.

All this panic on conscription; social compliance is a much larger issue in times of war. The incentive to conform becomes very strong, and then it’s enforced. It takes very little to do this in reality.

I don’t think they gave a flying you know what about feathers in 1914 either
But it was the social ostracisation, The public humiliation and peer pressure that did force people into the trenches and running towards machine guns.
Obviously technologies changed things and warfare is entirely different but they will use modern day methods to channel the will of the people look at the pandemic for an example.

What needs to be done is tax their U.K. assets rather than based taxation on residency. And either way the answer is not to do nothing about the wealth gap because we are too afraid to.

I'm disabled and on benefits. Maybe you could use all of us like me as literal cannon fodder? Load us up with explosives and drop us out of a plane. Win, win, eh?

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Absolutely no point in spending a fortune defending a country where the citizens are dying due to extreme poverty.

Not sure it is shrinking for some people who have been getting richer while the rest of us get poorer.

Big difference so called 'pensioners' have paid tax and NI into the UK system for often 40 years...

While benefiting from public service provision for the same length of time. They aren't owed anything.

So called 'Asylum seekers' have not paid a penny into the UK system so should not be prioritised to take money out in UC

Asylum Seekers don't qualify for UC, but you'd know that if you weren't totally ignorant and just fancied coming in here to blurt goady nonsense in a contentious thread.

Labour stirring the war talk is the worst of it.

Anything for a tax hike.

The moment they are granted asylum they can claim UC. How else would £1 billion per month be spent on them.

Whoa! So you object to people being able to claim asylum? I presume you think the Palestinians should stay in their land until the Israelis have wiped every last one of them out

A rising tide lifts all boats.

You might argue that wealth distribution is unequal but that is why the government imposes taxes (and the tax take is more if income and wealth are being generated) and gives it back in terms of public services and benefits. A higher GDP results in more tax contributions and spending.

A stagnant economy (the current one) funds nothing, only rats fighting in a sack.

It’s mainly the housing bill which is so high. People being put up in cheap hotels costing millions of pounds per week. If your accommodation provides your meals you get £9.95 a week to live on if they don’t it’s just under £50 a week. I think it used to be equivalent of 2/3 of JSA but unsure if it still is.