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DH throwing out my things

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fa556 · 28/05/2025 23:20

DH is a minimalist to the extreme, he has very little in terms of 'things'. Naturally I'm the opposite, a hoarder. Over the years I've conceded ground and downsized a LOT to pacify him, although it's probably fair to say that I still have too much stuff and it's also a bit messy and cluttered. Having kids has obviously brought more stuff to the house generally, but my own "stuff" is contained, with most of the house being tidy and (from my perspective at least) quite minimalist as he likes it. The "stuff" is in our bedroom (my side) to some extent, but mostly in my study which only I use.
In response to my compromises, instead of compromising too he seems to be going the other way. I'm increasingly finding my stuff in the bin, or things have just disappeared. I'm not talking about my most prized possessions, but they are things that I have bought, with my own money, for myself, that are on my side of the bedroom or in my study. I've always known not to leave things lying around in the kitchen or lounge or whatever for this reason, but it's like he's encroaching more and more on what I'd consider limited private spaces. To be fair, a lot of them are not big stuff. But even if it's just a receipt, it might be for some things I had meant to return or where I was going to claim something back as an expense. But to him, he's right and I'm wrong.
Even if it's actually something that is completely unimportant and doesn't matter to me, I still feel in principle that he shouldn't be throwing out my things from my study without checking or at the very least telling me. Am I being unreasonable?
When I pick him up on something specific, the response is always about the actual thing in question "what were you going to do with it anyway / it had a rip in it / you said yourself you have too many socks". Where for me, it's about the principle of it being up to me what to do with my own things. He says my clutter affects him as he lives here too, but he increasingly seems to be looking for it beyond surface level (while he is extremely private about his own things).
His 'need' to get rid of things also extends to perishable goods. So I might buy an expensive condiment (where he won't spend a penny more than he has to on anything), or I'll get a bottle of Baileys as a present from someone, he'll use them up as fast as he can, I'm talking days, not really 'enjoying' them as far as I can see, but just to get them out of the house. And inside I feel "hey they are my nice things", but am I just being selfish?
The other side is that I probably do have too much stuff and too much emotional attachment to 'things'. And gifts I receive like the Baileys could be in the cupboard for weeks/months otherwise. He says they're there to be used. Should I just give in?
At the moment I'm not giving in, at least not in my head, it's a huge source of frustration for me. But any effort to put a boundary in place on this, as with anything else really, is met with a bullheaded wall of stubborness ("I'm not agreeing to that"). I basically have to let it go time and again. But it's making me very anxious, what will be gone next?

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 29/05/2025 15:20

crumblingschools · 29/05/2025 10:34

@Riaanna what compromises is DH making? OP says her DH response would be colassal if she threw something of his away? Do you finish all condiments within a couple of days? Do you dictate how many clothes a partner should have (obviously if you end up with one drawer and your partner had every other bit of storage in the house then a conversation would need to be had but you shouldn’t automatically bin it without a conversation). Ripped clothes can be mended. DS would be impressed if I chucked his jeans with a hole in the knee. He wouldn’t complain if I mended a hole in the crotch in them. But I would check with him before I binned them if I thought they were too far gone to be worn or mended, especially as he buys most of his clothes now. They are not my clothes to decide what to do with them

Are you controlling in your relationship/household?

Do you really need to ask?

JemimaPiddlepot · 29/05/2025 15:25

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 29/05/2025 15:18

Never heard of this!!!!!
And yes id be pissed off if someone wanted me to store a bottle of whiskey for 18 years. I'd say thank you then drink it at some point with dp. If they want to store it on my behalf go for it.
Not particularly sure id want to be presenting an 18 year old with a bottle of whisky anyway for them to get paralytic drunk on! No thanks.

Bloody hell, how big a bottle are you imagining?! 😆

I don’t believe you’ve never heard of this.

Swanfeet · 29/05/2025 15:36

Enrichetta · 29/05/2025 13:01

Hm, you don’t think someone who suffers with anxiety, is a hoarder and is in controlling relationship might not benefit from counselling?

Hmm…I think a message agreeing with someone telling the OP that she’s probably worse than she thinks she is, is in fact a hoarder and that they couldn’t live with her is victim blaming. I don’t think telling her to get therapy to fix herself is the way forward, kind of helpful. 🤦🏼‍♀️

JemimaPiddlepot · 29/05/2025 15:39

I'm just trying to point out that we only OP's description of what is happening.

Welcome to literally every thread on MN ever.

beAsensible1 · 29/05/2025 15:39

JemimaPiddlepot · 29/05/2025 15:16

Surely it depends on what it is? Most condiments are heavy on vinegar - the exact substance used to preserve food long term.

Having an emotional attachment to drinks and condiments so much so you can’t actually use them is a sign of hoarding.

I just think people are minimising because man v woman. But OP has used some language that leads me to think she is a hoarder. And hoarders are unreliable
narrators especially when it comes to their things and how long they’ve had them and the space they take up.

having to have a discussion/negotiation every time you throw away a receipt or old sock will absolutely wear down a marriage.

if OP feels more thinks she is being bullied then of course she should leave.

but every woman poster on here who has been dealing with a hoarding partner has been advised to just chuck the things out and kick their DH out of the house and them at its unfair to the children.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 29/05/2025 15:42

Swanfeet · 29/05/2025 15:36

Hmm…I think a message agreeing with someone telling the OP that she’s probably worse than she thinks she is, is in fact a hoarder and that they couldn’t live with her is victim blaming. I don’t think telling her to get therapy to fix herself is the way forward, kind of helpful. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Of course I've never heard of it, because shock horror, different places have different customs. I have literally no reason whatsoever to lie.
Whisky round here is seen as a present for old men.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 29/05/2025 15:43

Swanfeet · 29/05/2025 15:36

Hmm…I think a message agreeing with someone telling the OP that she’s probably worse than she thinks she is, is in fact a hoarder and that they couldn’t live with her is victim blaming. I don’t think telling her to get therapy to fix herself is the way forward, kind of helpful. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Sorry i quoted you by mistake

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 29/05/2025 15:43

@JemimaPiddlepot I did a quote fail 😂

TatteredAndTorn · 29/05/2025 15:49

I can’t believe you are backing down to him on this. I would be furious and telling him if he touches me stuff again I’d be leaving! Or if you don’t want go that far I’d be telling him for each item of mine he bins, I’ll bin something precious of his. Completely out of order and extremely disrespectful to throw away someone else’s belongings. And he sounds like he needs to go to therapy as he’s taking his minimalism too far.

TatteredAndTorn · 29/05/2025 15:53

fa556 · 28/05/2025 23:44

Thanks for the support. But if I did that, the response would be colossal. Either something related but much more extreme like throwing out ALL of my somethings, or it would be something seeminly unrelated but very negative and destructive, maybe telling his family I'm not able to go with them on the extended family holiday this year or something like that. Any reaction from me to anything gets a tenfold reaction back, the only option really is to back down.

Well I that case I think you need to consider leaving him. You can’t live like that. Walking on eggshells, your needs and wants being ignored and him ignoring you, throwing out yourself and behaving increasingly badly when he doesn’t get his own way. If you can’t talk to him about it and reach a sensible compromise, I don’t know where you go from there really.

sandyhappypeople · 29/05/2025 15:56

SnoopyPajamas · 29/05/2025 15:06

We don't know how serious OP was being about her "emotional attachment" to things, or even her use of the word hoarder. Her husband is controlling - there is no doubt about that - and she continually shrinks herself to keep him happy. It's possible she's simply using his language here. She may not be a hoarder at all. Just less of a hardcore minimalist than her husband.

When she says she has an emotional attachment to things, she might mean birthday cards or a favourite top. A hardcore minimalist might say "it's just paper" or "you're never going to wear that again" but many of us would keep such things, without having the actual disorder of hoarding. Some level of emotional attachment to things is normal. I keep my birthday cards out for about a month after the day. It doesn't make me mentally unstable, it's just nice to see them for a bit longer.

You need to stop.. OP says this has been going on years, she is a hoarder and she keeps things like condiments, and unopened drinks bottles because she forms an emotional attachment to them.. why question that like she doesn't know her own mind??

Hoarding is a real compulsion, and telling OP that she "isn't a hoarder" when she quite clearly is, she knows she is and has been working for years to keep on top of the compulsion is just bizarre to be honest.

BUT Saying OP is a hoarder does not minimise the fact that her husband is overstepping and being quite frankly nasty by pysically getting rid of the things she is hoarding. People agreeing that the husband has probably got to the end of his tether with the clutter are not agreeing that he is right to take matters into his own hands, but like everything in life there is two sides to a story.

It actually sounds to me like they are at opposite ends of the same scale, she hoards as a compulsion and he gets rid of everything as a compulsion.. both think they are right, when really they both seem to be outside of normal tolerance.. the only difference here is OP is trying with her compulsion and has been for years yet her husband won't accept his is even a problem, he is very wrong to be forcing his compulsion on her.

Muffinmam · 29/05/2025 15:56

In respect to the Baileys - they are there to be used by you - not him.

BakelikeBertha · 29/05/2025 16:03

Sorry OP, I haven't read the full thread, as I'm late to the party, but I would be at the very least putting a lock on my office door if my partner did this!

Like you, I do tend to think I'm a bit of a hoarder, but there's a real difference between keeping things that you like and cherish, and keeping EVERY SINGLE THING which is what a REAL hoarder tends to do! Which would you say you do? I keep things that mean something to me, and which I know there's a strong likelihood of me using again in the future.

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/05/2025 16:10

The longer certain people bang on about the OP being a Mr Trebus level hoarder and her 'D'H needing sympathy, the greater the chance that the OP will not return and will not get the help she quite possibly needs to leave an abusive partner.

I realise some folk really like to fall over themselves to paint the OP as the bad guy in threads but these are peoples real lives.

None of us have any real clue as to the actual situation - but whether the OP is actually a hoarder or not, it does sound like her husband is abusive - throwing gifts away/using them up within a few days, going into her office to throw items away, the OP being scared to object... those are all huge red flags!

Also - it is perfectly normal that humans become attached to some things - can we stop trying to portray perfectly normal human habits as some indication of a behaviour problem!

MrsWallers · 29/05/2025 16:52

So OP didnt post any pictures so we have absolutely no idea how bad it is! I get gifted food items from work, mainly chocolates and they are brought home and a total free for all for my family. I wouldnt say no they are all for me! My DH used to bin the kids knackered socks when doing the washing it was funny!

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 29/05/2025 17:15

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 29/05/2025 15:18

Never heard of this!!!!!
And yes id be pissed off if someone wanted me to store a bottle of whiskey for 18 years. I'd say thank you then drink it at some point with dp. If they want to store it on my behalf go for it.
Not particularly sure id want to be presenting an 18 year old with a bottle of whisky anyway for them to get paralytic drunk on! No thanks.

I think it's meant to be more symbolic than anything. I wouldn't give such a present personally, but presumably for those who do, the idea is that their parent first presents it to the 18yo and, if they wish, they can have their first sip as an adult.

I don't think the idea is that they neck the whole lot in a quiet corner on their own and wake up five days later.

Plus, it can also be a financial investment, as the whisky will appreciate in value over the 18 years - maybe a little bit like giving premium bonds to a baby or starting a small savings account for them.

SnoopyPajamas · 29/05/2025 17:19

sandyhappypeople · 29/05/2025 15:56

You need to stop.. OP says this has been going on years, she is a hoarder and she keeps things like condiments, and unopened drinks bottles because she forms an emotional attachment to them.. why question that like she doesn't know her own mind??

Hoarding is a real compulsion, and telling OP that she "isn't a hoarder" when she quite clearly is, she knows she is and has been working for years to keep on top of the compulsion is just bizarre to be honest.

BUT Saying OP is a hoarder does not minimise the fact that her husband is overstepping and being quite frankly nasty by pysically getting rid of the things she is hoarding. People agreeing that the husband has probably got to the end of his tether with the clutter are not agreeing that he is right to take matters into his own hands, but like everything in life there is two sides to a story.

It actually sounds to me like they are at opposite ends of the same scale, she hoards as a compulsion and he gets rid of everything as a compulsion.. both think they are right, when really they both seem to be outside of normal tolerance.. the only difference here is OP is trying with her compulsion and has been for years yet her husband won't accept his is even a problem, he is very wrong to be forcing his compulsion on her.

I don't "need to stop". Don't be silly.

Your reactions here are all based on this from OP, which you quoted upthread:

"I probably do have too much stuff and too much emotional attachment to 'things'. And gifts I receive like the Baileys could be in the cupboard for weeks/months otherwise"
^^
You interpreted that as 'proof' OP is a hoarder. In your other post you point to this and say, look, she admits it, she keeps the alcohol for months because she's got an emotional attachment to it! But that's not actually what she's saying. It's a comprehension issue on your side. You've taken two separate sentences and conflated them into one connected thing.

OP says "I probably do have too much stuff". But if she's used to living with a minimalist who shames her for not being like him, she would say that. It's not at all unreasonable to think his attitude has warped her thinking, and she has a perfectly normal amount of "stuff", most people would not blink an eye at. You cannot take this statement as solid proof she's a hoarder.

The same for her "emotional attachment to things". As I said in my last post, we don't know what "things" she has the emotional attachment to. You've pathologised this and are assuming she means she has an emotional attachment to old receipts and holey socks. But you don't actually know that. We don't know if she's applying her husband's criteria here. Maybe the ripped t shirt is one she wore when they first painted DC's nursery ten years ago. Maybe someone's given her a fancy candle and she wants to save it for a day when she can really pamper herself in the bath. These would be perfectly normal "emotional attachments", and could be all she means. We just don't know enough to make that call.

The bottle of Bailey's, for instance, is a perfectly normal thing to keep for a special occasion. It's not the sort of thing you just chug down on a whim. The fact that this was OP's example makes me question the entire concept of her "emotional attachments".

Hoarding is an actual psychological condition, which most people who describe themselves as "hoarders" do not have. I suspect the truth is that OP is a bit messy, and is the sort of person who builds up clutter and takes a while to realise and clear it out. That's not ideal, but it's nowhere near on the same plane as actual hoarding.

Clutter can also be a symptom of depression and stress. It's a sign someone just can't think straight, or make minor decisions. I wonder if OP's house would be much cleaner and tidier, actually, if her husband wasn't breathing down her neck all the time? Maybe her space is cluttered because it's the only place she can escape the hyper-critical, hyper-aware presence of her husband?

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 29/05/2025 17:22

MrsWallers · 29/05/2025 16:52

So OP didnt post any pictures so we have absolutely no idea how bad it is! I get gifted food items from work, mainly chocolates and they are brought home and a total free for all for my family. I wouldnt say no they are all for me! My DH used to bin the kids knackered socks when doing the washing it was funny!

I don't think it would have been an issue if he'd asked and said "That Bailey's looks rather nice - how about we enjoy some this evening?!"

But drinking the lot himself, without a word, is utterly disgraceful - even before then blaming her for him drinking it.

It's a bit like if somebody gave you a beautiful delicate scarf for a present, then somebody else grabbed it and used it as a rag to mop up an oil leak in the car engine.

godmum56 · 29/05/2025 17:24

"I drank the Baileys to declutter" oh come on.....even a caught red handed teenager can think up a better excuse than that.

NikNak321 · 29/05/2025 17:28

I have found it difficult to vote on this. It's impossible to know which one of you is the unreasonable one without seeing your home. My advice is ask a balanced and honest close friend who has a tidy and clean home👌. You will not get an accurate reading from Mumsnet on this 👍

My instinct is that you still have excessive belongings and it's untidy. If you 'down sized A lot' for hubby and you have not really missed these items; this indicates to me you had A LOT of things you did not need and it was indeed very excessive at least historically. And it is therefore likely you do not see there is still a problem; when likely there is if you didn't notice it historically. Your husband seems to be lashing out in a childish petty way doing these things...but it does sound like things a person might do at the end of their rope in frustration?

I work privately as a cleaner/ organiser and I have people seeking help and in denial frequently. I am naturally a clean and tidy person...it's important to me...every one of my clients is happier in a cleaner, decluttered and well organised house. My hubby did not live this way when I met him. The reason we happily live together because he has conceded ground on this. We wouldn't live together if he didn't....there is no middle ground for me.

Ask an honest, neutral friend who is tidy their opinion. Then talk to your hubby honestly about this. Hopefully you can get to common ground...as you do sound very different in terms of the way you live. You need to get to a common understanding as this could be a deal breaker for you both. Good luck OP 🤞 ☘️

Tinatubby73 · 29/05/2025 17:28

Sorry he sounds like a controlling bully to me.i couldn't live with someone like that sorry.id be off!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 29/05/2025 17:29

fa556 · 28/05/2025 23:44

Thanks for the support. But if I did that, the response would be colossal. Either something related but much more extreme like throwing out ALL of my somethings, or it would be something seeminly unrelated but very negative and destructive, maybe telling his family I'm not able to go with them on the extended family holiday this year or something like that. Any reaction from me to anything gets a tenfold reaction back, the only option really is to back down.

OP.. You need to find someone in RL to talk to about this. He sounds an out and out bully and the "punishments" you mention sound dreadful.

SnoopyPajamas · 29/05/2025 17:32

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/05/2025 16:10

The longer certain people bang on about the OP being a Mr Trebus level hoarder and her 'D'H needing sympathy, the greater the chance that the OP will not return and will not get the help she quite possibly needs to leave an abusive partner.

I realise some folk really like to fall over themselves to paint the OP as the bad guy in threads but these are peoples real lives.

None of us have any real clue as to the actual situation - but whether the OP is actually a hoarder or not, it does sound like her husband is abusive - throwing gifts away/using them up within a few days, going into her office to throw items away, the OP being scared to object... those are all huge red flags!

Also - it is perfectly normal that humans become attached to some things - can we stop trying to portray perfectly normal human habits as some indication of a behaviour problem!

Yes. It's like people watched a tv special on hoarders and are now desperate to apply what they've learned. I know Mumsnet threads can turn a bit odd sometimes, but this is one of the stranger diversions I've ever seen.

And sad, given what OP has shared about how her husband treats her. That should be the main focus.

godmum56 · 29/05/2025 17:35

NikNak321 · 29/05/2025 17:28

I have found it difficult to vote on this. It's impossible to know which one of you is the unreasonable one without seeing your home. My advice is ask a balanced and honest close friend who has a tidy and clean home👌. You will not get an accurate reading from Mumsnet on this 👍

My instinct is that you still have excessive belongings and it's untidy. If you 'down sized A lot' for hubby and you have not really missed these items; this indicates to me you had A LOT of things you did not need and it was indeed very excessive at least historically. And it is therefore likely you do not see there is still a problem; when likely there is if you didn't notice it historically. Your husband seems to be lashing out in a childish petty way doing these things...but it does sound like things a person might do at the end of their rope in frustration?

I work privately as a cleaner/ organiser and I have people seeking help and in denial frequently. I am naturally a clean and tidy person...it's important to me...every one of my clients is happier in a cleaner, decluttered and well organised house. My hubby did not live this way when I met him. The reason we happily live together because he has conceded ground on this. We wouldn't live together if he didn't....there is no middle ground for me.

Ask an honest, neutral friend who is tidy their opinion. Then talk to your hubby honestly about this. Hopefully you can get to common ground...as you do sound very different in terms of the way you live. You need to get to a common understanding as this could be a deal breaker for you both. Good luck OP 🤞 ☘️

yes but this is kind of confirmation bias. The people who come to you and are happy with your service are the ones who want your service....you don't meet the people who are happy the way they are. Yes we see programs on TV like Sort Your Life Out or Hoarders, but there is a huge bit in the middle of people who just enjoy having stuff.

godmum56 · 29/05/2025 17:36

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/05/2025 16:10

The longer certain people bang on about the OP being a Mr Trebus level hoarder and her 'D'H needing sympathy, the greater the chance that the OP will not return and will not get the help she quite possibly needs to leave an abusive partner.

I realise some folk really like to fall over themselves to paint the OP as the bad guy in threads but these are peoples real lives.

None of us have any real clue as to the actual situation - but whether the OP is actually a hoarder or not, it does sound like her husband is abusive - throwing gifts away/using them up within a few days, going into her office to throw items away, the OP being scared to object... those are all huge red flags!

Also - it is perfectly normal that humans become attached to some things - can we stop trying to portray perfectly normal human habits as some indication of a behaviour problem!

THIS every bloody word of this