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Why does the UN and other organisations not do anything about women in Afghanistan?

174 replies

SCANDEL0US · 28/05/2025 22:01

i just don’t understand, how can it be okay to stop someone from having an education, from speaking, from going out . Why is nobody doing anything, is it because it’s in the name of religion?

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Ablondiebutagoody · 28/05/2025 22:14

You mean something like sacrifice thousands of people and spend billions of dollars to occupy the country and create some kind of western democracy? That should work.

GreenCandleWax · 28/05/2025 22:15

i share your frustration. Why are women here not out on the streets protesting about the appalling lives Afghan women have been forced into? No one seems to care, yet their lives must be a living hell of virtual imprisonment in their homes, with a lack of education and health care.

HonoriaBulstrode · 28/05/2025 22:17

Why are women here not out on the streets protesting about the appalling lives Afghan women have been forced into?

What do you think that would achieve? Do you think the Taliban would pay the slightest bit of attention?

Never2many · 28/05/2025 22:18

Realistically what do you think that anyone can do?

I don’t like it any more than the next person but this is their culture. We have no more right to enter a country and force them to change their culture than they do to enter ours.

What’s happening to women in Afghanistan’ is appalling, but people need to be careful what they wish for here.

If it’s ok for us to force change in another country then why isn’t it ok for them to do the same?

Octavia64 · 28/05/2025 22:40

Multiple countries have invaded Afghanistan (including Britain) in the last 200 years and tried to drag them into this millennium (I was going to say century). The Russians tried it, we tried it, the Americans tried it.

no-one can hold it. The afghans fight each invader and eventually their population/politicuans get fed up with British/Russian/Americans being killed to keep a foreign puppet regime in power.

nobody thinks it’s ok. But nobody wants to sacrifice the lives that it would take. And it would take a lot of lives.

wellington77 · 28/05/2025 22:43

not sure how old you are. But google the invasion of Afghanistan. You can’t succeed with a conventional army against guerrilla warefare plus idelogy plus cultural practices. 20 years and it fell to bits!

WaryCrow · 28/05/2025 22:44

I share the frustration, but practically what do you want to happen? The UN does not have a mandate or an army to invade anywhere. You’d need to kill off most of if not all of the men because they are all complicit and most enjoy their elevated position compared to the women.

I really don’t know at the moment op, men around the world hate women so much. I’m glad the birth rate is currently dropping: it does not seem a rational act for women to keep producing these male scum who treat us like filth.

ACynicalDad · 28/05/2025 22:45

Before the withdrawal, maintaining the situation in Afghanistan, particularly in the big cities, wasn't taking huge resources (certainly relative to those needed earlier in the conflict), and very few were dying; it's a shame that Biden couldn't maintain that. It will be a long time before anyone from the West tries again. It's not a perfect solution but educate a couple of generations of women and there would be far greater hope for the country.

WaryCrow · 28/05/2025 22:47

Never2many · 28/05/2025 22:18

Realistically what do you think that anyone can do?

I don’t like it any more than the next person but this is their culture. We have no more right to enter a country and force them to change their culture than they do to enter ours.

What’s happening to women in Afghanistan’ is appalling, but people need to be careful what they wish for here.

If it’s ok for us to force change in another country then why isn’t it ok for them to do the same?

Stuff that. This is not about fairness or equal actions. And other countries would have invaded us if they felt like it and had the power to do so. They’ve done it in the past, many times. There is no justice and the human race is shit, especially the male half.

ThePoshUns · 28/05/2025 22:47

It is frustrating and terrifying OP, but as others have said it’s been tried before without success. It needs the men of Afghanistan to love their wives and daughters more than they love their ‘leaders’.

keeptalkinghappytalk · 28/05/2025 22:52

It s not ' their' culture, it s a male centred violent and abusive culture that dehumanises and enslaves women. Why are the Taliban not brought before the International Courts? Why are we not protesting to free those girls and women from their prison? I actually have been on a street protest to support Afghan women and everyone we approached was absolutely with us, fully aware of the vicious and exceptional brutality of the Taliban. A global political response including building an alternative leadership, , not military intervention, is needed.

Never2many · 29/05/2025 00:05

If the women of Afghanistan want things to change then it is them who need to stand up against these regimes and they’re not.

Change can only come from within. Women’s rights here and elsewhere haven’t been won by foreign invasions, they’ve been won through the women in question standing up against them.

ThePoshUns · 29/05/2025 07:31

I hope there is an underground movement of resistance amongst women akin to the Handmaids tale, which ironically Margaret Atwood based the novel on the Afghan regime of the 1970s.

ThePoshUns · 29/05/2025 07:34

Correction it was the Iranian regime.

SunnySideDeepDown · 29/05/2025 07:35

I wonder this. Afghan men have had decades of seeing their wives and daughters access education and society safely. They’ve raised daughters who had careers. Now, literally overnight, they’re trapped indoors.

Why aren’t the dads up in arms? Why aren’t the progressive men doing anything to protect their wives and daughters?

It must be very scary to risk beheading etc though and I’m sure some have tried. They need to rise as a revolution themselves and overthrow the taliban, it’s the only way. It has to come from them.

DurinsBane · 29/05/2025 07:39

Never2many · 28/05/2025 22:18

Realistically what do you think that anyone can do?

I don’t like it any more than the next person but this is their culture. We have no more right to enter a country and force them to change their culture than they do to enter ours.

What’s happening to women in Afghanistan’ is appalling, but people need to be careful what they wish for here.

If it’s ok for us to force change in another country then why isn’t it ok for them to do the same?

While I agree what can we or anyone do, it isn’t their culture. It is the beliefs of the Taliban.

porridgecake · 29/05/2025 07:47

Kelly Jay Keen goes to speakers corner to protest about the treatment of women all over the world, including Afghanistan and Iran. She gets death threats and abuse and has been arrested in the past for her efforts.
I don't lnow how those poor women in Afghanistan could even begin tbh. Not allowed to speak, go out, look out of a window, access health care, get an education, earn money. It is horrific.

WaryCrow · 29/05/2025 08:00

Never2many · 29/05/2025 00:05

If the women of Afghanistan want things to change then it is them who need to stand up against these regimes and they’re not.

Change can only come from within. Women’s rights here and elsewhere haven’t been won by foreign invasions, they’ve been won through the women in question standing up against them.

The difficulty is that the men control violence, are fully willing and equipped to use it on the women - and have barred women from organising in any way shape or form. Women cannot communicate with each other and cannot speak in public. They’ve even stopped training midwives.

@SunnySideDeepDown there were a few men holed up in a valley fighting the Taliban. I think they lost. Ditto whatever women took up arms. The rest are perfectly happy to subjugate their own mothers.

There are women armies in North Africa now aren’t there? I think? Because that ultimately is what needs to happen and men are quite happy controlling violence - and writing the women out of history as they have done so many times in Britain. Women have fought in battles and wars here so many times, but are largely forgotten.

Naunet · 29/05/2025 08:03

GreenCandleWax · 28/05/2025 22:15

i share your frustration. Why are women here not out on the streets protesting about the appalling lives Afghan women have been forced into? No one seems to care, yet their lives must be a living hell of virtual imprisonment in their homes, with a lack of education and health care.

Why only women? It's men doing this, how about other men stand up and march?

Nameychangington · 29/05/2025 08:04

Never2many · 29/05/2025 00:05

If the women of Afghanistan want things to change then it is them who need to stand up against these regimes and they’re not.

Change can only come from within. Women’s rights here and elsewhere haven’t been won by foreign invasions, they’ve been won through the women in question standing up against them.

Please tell me this is satire.

What do you think has happened to the exceptionally brave women who have tried, in Afghanistan? Spoiler alert, they didn't get tea and biscuits.

Nameychangington · 29/05/2025 08:10

Oh and WRN hold silent vigils in many towns if women want to show their support for the women of Afghanistan.

Sometimes TRA local councillors come and shout at them that they're Nazis while they do it : <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2025.02.11-071036/www.edp24.co.uk/news/24923415.norwich-green-councillor-accused-calling-women-nazis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2025.02.11-071036/www.edp24.co.uk/news/24923415.norwich-green-councillor-accused-calling-women-nazi

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A Green councillor has been accused of calling a group of women holding a silent vigil for Afghan women and children "Nazis".
Charlie Caine, a member of Norwich City Council, is said to have launched the verbal attack on the event outside the Forum.
The vigil was organised by the Norwich Women's Rights Group and Women's Rights Network (WRN) Norfolk, which have previously raised concerns about the impact of gender ideology on women and girls.
The councillor, who is a transman - the term for someone born female but who identifies as a man - is accused of shouting at the gathering, calling those assembled "Nazis" and "transphobes".
The organisers of the event say some of those present were Jewish and have described the councillor's actions as "unhinged".
They have lodged formal complaints with Norwich Green group and the city council, which says it is investigating.
The vigil was hosted in Norwich city centre
The vigil was hosted in Norwich city centre (Image: Norwich Women's Rights Group)
Norwich Women's Rights Group and WRN Norfolk have organised two vigils in the city in response to the Taliban enforcing ever tighter restrictions for women in Afghanistan.
It stressed the events are organised without any political party affiliations and are open to women of any religion or none.
The groups - which are known for their gender-critical views and defence of the importance of biological sex - claim they were "abused and verbally harassed" during the most recent 30-minute-long vigil, which was held on February 1.
There was another vigil in December
There was another vigil in December (Image: Norwich Women's Rights Group)
Sarah Walker, a member of the group, said: “As soon as I announced our vigil we were approached by Green Party city councillor for Mile Cross, Charlie Caine, who stood on the library steps above us and screamed abuse, yelling as loud as possible that we were 'transphobes' and 'Nazis' and looking around at passersby as if trying to rouse them to join in abusing and harassing us. It was quite extraordinary.”
Liz Wills, a WRN co-ordinator, said “It’s worth stressing that this situation had nothing to do with trans issues.
"The women who turned up, including the Muslim women, were there solely to support Afghan women who are actually the most oppressed group in the world.
"This cannot be dismissed as a battle of rights, it was abuse, harassment and public disorder.”
Nathalie Kail, a local member of the Women’s Rights Network, said: “I don’t take lightly being targeted and called a Nazi, especially in view of my husband’s Jewish heritage and family background: his grandparents’ side of the family were exterminated by the Nazis."
Ms Walker added: “I’m old enough to have known people who suffered under the Nazis and under the fascist regimes in Italy and Spain.
"The woman next to me’s grandfather was murdered by Spanish fascists, another is someone Caine well knows is Jewish.
She added: "'Nazi' has a very specific meaning and it’s a horrendous one, not to be used as a kind of playground insult to harass and intimidate women exercising our right to peaceful protest.
"It is particularly offensive that councillor Caine knew that several of us present were Jewish and left wing, having known us in local politics over many years."
The councillor has previously clashed with the group after attending a counter protest at a women's event outside City Hall.
The Let Women Speak rally last summer was designed to promote free speech and provide a platform to defend women's sex-based rights, which they say are threatened by trans ideology.
The Green activist joined a rival demonstration, during which the crowd shouted "trans rights are human rights", "we just want to survive", "shame on you" and "fascists go home".
The councillor and the Norwich Green party have declined to comment on the latest accusations.
A spokesman for Norwich City Council said: “We have received complaints about councillor Caine which our monitoring officer is currently investigating”.

Chiseltip · 29/05/2025 08:14

Well, they already tried invading the country, overthrowing the regime and setting up a democratic system government, supporting women and girls to get education and employment. Providing health care and other public services, not to mention police and security forces.

Unfortunately . . . . . . . . all that work was quickly undone by an army of rampaging, misogynist psychopaths. Who somewhat unexpectedly, were able to overpower the entire strategic military capability two of the worlds most elite and heavily funded armed forces.

Not sure what you expect anyone else to do OP. I suppose you could write a very strongly worded email to the Afghan warlords and tell them in no uncertain terms how much you disagree with their policies on women's rights.

Viviennemary · 29/05/2025 08:14

I used to think this. But it's because interference doesn't work. The reforms have to come from within the country itself. Take feet binding by the Chinese. Horrific. But it had to be banned by China not some other country or organisation.

Chiseltip · 29/05/2025 08:17

GreenCandleWax · 28/05/2025 22:15

i share your frustration. Why are women here not out on the streets protesting about the appalling lives Afghan women have been forced into? No one seems to care, yet their lives must be a living hell of virtual imprisonment in their homes, with a lack of education and health care.

Yeah, a battalion from the local Facebook Group, standing on a street corner in Tunbridge Wells, holding signs and chanting "down with this sort of thing" is really going to make the Afghan warlords reconsider their stance on women's rights.

Chiseltip · 29/05/2025 08:20

keeptalkinghappytalk · 28/05/2025 22:52

It s not ' their' culture, it s a male centred violent and abusive culture that dehumanises and enslaves women. Why are the Taliban not brought before the International Courts? Why are we not protesting to free those girls and women from their prison? I actually have been on a street protest to support Afghan women and everyone we approached was absolutely with us, fully aware of the vicious and exceptional brutality of the Taliban. A global political response including building an alternative leadership, , not military intervention, is needed.

I'm guessing that street protest wasn't in downtown Kabul.

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