Why does the UN and other organisations not do anything about women in Afghanistan?

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i just don’t understand, how can it be okay to stop someone from having an education, from speaking, from going out . Why is nobody doing anything, is it because it’s in the name of religion?

It's very simple.

Interfering in other countries affairs is guaranteed to go wrong.

Complete answer.

@Whammyyammy

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You mean something like sacrifice thousands of people and spend billions of dollars to occupy the country and create some kind of western democracy? That should work."

"This. And then receive negativity for sticking our nose "

Absolutely- it seems that those that were so critical of Western troops being in Afghanistan and trying to improve the lives of ordinary Afghans are now wringing their hands at the plight of Afghan women.

It is tragic. Always has been. The US has a lot to answer for on this. Trump basically did a deal with the Taliban towards the end of his first term but Biden was the one to follow through on the disgraceful withdrawal from the country. Whether or not their presence was right, the way they left was beyond chaotic and in my view pretty unforgivable. The Afghan army could not even fight back because the sting in the tail is that US equipment can only be serviced by US contractors - so lots of planes and other stuff were useless. Taliban marched in and the rest is history (or rather current affairs as it's very much ongoing). To make matters even worse, Trump 2.0 happened and guess what? He's crippled or completely cancelled international development aid (when he killed off USAid) which is having a DISASTROUS impact on organisations trying to help women in Afghanistan. So, yes, thank the orange wonder for this sad state of affairs. For him though women are worthless so I wouldn't hold my breath that anything will improve any time soon. Other countries may try and help but it's all pretty toothless without the juggernaut that the US used to be.

@Bigearringsbigsmile

"Because there is nothing we can do.
Literally. "

It's been said that the only thing Afghans like more than fighting and killing each other is fighting and killing foreigners in their country.

Honestly it's just one of those places in the world that should be marked on maps with "here be dragons" and avoided.

Yes, of course, when it’s a question of women with basic human rights striving for something nearer equal rights, eg suffragettes.

But in countries where women haven’t even basic rights, how the hell do they rise up against their oppressors?

How do you organise when you’re not allowed out of the house, let alone go to a meeting? When your owner may not even allow you the use of a phone? When he’s allowed to beat you up, and even if he kills you he’ll probably get away with it?

All civilised countries should take what action they can.

The world does not care enough about women. Never has never will.

Perhaps the women there like it that way. Not everyone shares western ideals.

How on earth is Caine still a Councillor? Shocking.

Oh come on!
They are not even allowed to speak in public anymore! Have you ever read memoirs of Afghan women during the first Taliban regime? It was horrendous and I guarantee you that saying perhaps they like it is akin to telling a raped woman that deep down she wanted it.

It shouldn’t be a surprise. The position of women in a large number (most?) countries is shit and little is done.

Nothing to do with religion.

Also in terms of grassroots activism - it’s not even like they have any kind of market or influence to boycott. If it was a wealthier country it would be easier and have more focus.

As it is, it has none.

They tried and it was so corrupt that it fell apart and the decision was made to just let them get on with it

Utterly shameful

They like not being able to access medical care? Seriously.

I wouldn’t say they have done nothing. It’s just looking like they did the wrong thing. Even after the debacle of leaving Afghanistan. The Taliban isn’t a recognised government. There are travel bans on top officials and sanctions. This aimed to put pressure on them.

It’s just looking more and more like they should have maintained a dialogue with the Taliban, if you’re not talking you have no influence.

Because it's not just in Afghanistan it's common
This French TV producer sees women in Algeria veiled and only allowed to see out of one eye
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That's not true. It's not a magic kingdom or any nonsense like that unless you aren't a grown up.

It's simply that the bloodshed need to occupy and maintain occupation over many many generations isn't something we - or any other country - are prepared to invest.

There are also lots of Afghan men and women who worked with the US and Britain to change Afghanistan. As well as numerous activists and journalists who have been well and truly crushed.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/30/womens-rights-activists-under-attack-afghanistan

Algeria, even in that clip is very diverse in how women dress. It’s not like Afghanistan with rules of the country imposing those on women.

I have been to Algeria for work and the women at the work site had a variety of dress.

All civilised countries should take what action they can.

Such as?

Even covering your face in Algeria isn’t very common. There is a law against women covering their face for civil servants at work.

It’s a very different situation to Afghanistan where legally women have basically been made invisible. They can’t even sing inside their own house if there is a danger they could be heard by a man outside.

This

We can all be sorry that the place has been turned into a hellhole, but that's what the male half of the population largely support, and within that culture men expect to drive things so if they want a change that's for their own society to sort out

But South Africa wanted to interact and trade with the rest of the world so there were sanctions that the international community could impose. But Afghanistan doesn't export anything as far as I'm aware and I suspect imports very little. And doesn't want anything to do with outsiders.

Until civilised countries criticise the backwards religion, the less they can have a say. Until then it's all mouth. Nobody clutching their pearls on here is going to make a difference, especially when you refuse to condemn something, consistently.

I'd love Afghanistan to join the 21st century and for all people, including women and girls, to live freely and without fear. My fear is that in doing so it would become like Saudi Arabia, pretending to be in the 21st century but stuck in a brutal medieval time-warp.

The men in that country would need to object to the treatment of women, but they don't.

We could invade and occupy. It doesn't tend to work there could be sanctions but I doubt there'd be much support for that.

I do think though that if a country was treating another persecuted minority in this way (black, gay, etc) there would be greater outcry.

The men in Afghanistan aren’t necessarily any happier than the women. Government employees aren’t paid for months at a time. They can’t dress how they want either. But they don’t rise up because the tolls of war have already been enormous. There are so many widows with nothing in a worsening economic crisis and they don’t want to make more. It is important to keep trying because that’s what many of the women and girls in Afghanistan want. Even though some people feel it is pointless. But there’s nothing worse is there than a complete absence of any hope?