Why does the UN and other organisations not do anything about women in Afghanistan?

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i just don’t understand, how can it be okay to stop someone from having an education, from speaking, from going out . Why is nobody doing anything, is it because it’s in the name of religion?

You keep trying to sell that fantasy. You really think the US and UK governments gave a shit about Afghans? Delulu.

What a load of crap.

Of course it was an invasion, they weren't invited in. The US funded and trained Al Qaeda and knew Bin Laden was in Pakistan. They had been interfering in the ME long before the invasion.

By 'they,' I'm talking about propaganda to sell the invasion. They sold it as something positive for women and Bush said that the Taliban was harbouring bin Laden.

Here's how positive it was for Afghans:

241,000 deaths as a direct result of the invasion. Hundreds of thousands more, mostly civilians, have died due to hunger, disease and injury.

The Afghan military and police, who fought alongside the US, are estimated to have lost between 66,000 and 69,000 soldiers.

More than 3,000 women died due to the war and 7,000 were injured.

7,792 children were killed and 18,662 injured.

At least 2.7 million were forced to flee due to the war, becoming refugees in neighbouring Pakistan, Iran and beyond. An additional four million were internally displaced.

When the Taliban were defeated, Afghanistan was still one of the most dangerous places on earth for women. Although there were moderate gains such as higher mortality rates, poverty went from 33% to 54% after the invasion. A 2019 report found that 60% of girls weren't in education.

Trump negotiated with the Taliban, released thousands of them from prison, withdrew troops and left Afghans to their fate.

It was a triumph.

@nomas

"You keep trying to sell that fantasy. You really think the US and UK governments gave a shit about Afghans? Delulu."

I said the primary objective was to remove the Taliban from power.

If you disagree with this then given your greater insight into the motivations of the US and UK I would love to what you think the "real" reason was for going in to Afghanistan.

@MiloMinderbinder925

"Here's how positive it was for Afghans:"

Given how you see the military intervention in Afghanistan as predominantly negative , then I presume that you wouldn't support any intervention now to help Afghanistan's women.

The reason the Taliban got into power is because the normal people in Afghanistan were sick of all the wars and bloodshed. Women might have to stay indoors and not be allowed to go to school but at least they are alive.

It's hard to come up with a solution as you can't really sanction a country that doesn't really export anything (legally) to the West.

I guess put international pressure on them to modernise and wait for things to progress slowly like they have in other Islamic countries.

You still seem to be under the delusion it was an 'intervention' to help people. Do you really think the US spent trillions and lost thousands of soldiers to empower women?

Any war is going to have negative consequences. Hundreds of thousands of people died and you view it as positive. Women are worse off than they were before and people are a lot poorer.

I presume that you wouldn't support any intervention now to help Afghanistan's women.

I not stupid enough to think that invading Afghanistan again would have any effect.

We've had threads on here about this before, it's so depressing

People just don't care

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I don’t know why a minority of posters think that people are calling for an invasion to help Afghan women. The ECFR outlined ways that European countries could be doing more. Like by funding the womens rights groups that still exist there. Or making aid conditional on women’s rights improvements.

No, this was during the 19th century.

Rudyard Kipling's famous poem 'The Young British Soldier' mentions it.

Yes I remember learning the poem. It doesn’t mean that mostly women tortured British soldiers to death at all.

I can’t recall any war where women systematically tortured men to death. Stories of this happening have been spread in many wars but there is always little to back up their claims.

The Taliban has destroyed the poppy fields according to BBC Today Programme.

Try not to be so juvenile. People do care but know that there isn't a solution.

You care so very much so what's YOUR answer to it?

Do you realise what would happen to a woman who dared to speak out? Break the law? Likely dragged to a hellhole prison and never heard of again.

I'm not citing the poem as evidence, but I do remember a lecture about Rudyard Kipling where the torture of captured British soldiers was covered, and this poem was referenced too. I don't have any links as this was over 30 years ago!

Odd to post that in a thread where many posters clearly do care.

Trust me, if people could sort the world by caring there would not be a single soul suffering in this world, bar those who deserve to be in jail due to serious serious crimes, like the talibans themselves.
People do care.

Because it’s women and girls

the comparison between pro Palestinian marches and rhetoric and the (lack of) pro afghani women and girls makes me weep

It isn't their culture, they, like lots of countries and regions have been over ran with religious/power extremists. If it was cultural, it would have been like that for decades. If a culture was wanted, harsh punishments wouldn't be in place to enforce it.

Decades? It's been like that for centuries. There was a brief interlude where a few things were relaxed a little. That's all.

I think that’s an issue with our failing media. International journalism has gone to pot. I doubt computer control and economics have improved matters, and the increasingly insular nature of the country since Brexit certainly hasn’t. We’re being increasingly subject to consumerist ‘bread and circus’ culture’ rather than anything that requires any form of mental engagement (however amateur).

“I guess put international pressure on them to modernise and wait for things to progress slowly like they have in other Islamic countries.”

That sadly is a delusion. What does ‘modernise’ even mean in the context of Islam, thinking of Islamic medieval science? Someone upthread said you can google for pics of 1960s Afghan people and they looked similar to western - I’ll have a look shortly. You certainly can google for similar pictures of Iranians. That religion is having a crackdown, whether a cultural shift or an issue of funding, most obviously Saudi, or most likely both.

Countries tend not to respond well to bullying, for a start. Why would an Afghanistan being pressured to change it's ways respond any differently to a Britain being pressured to change it's ways ?

And I think it's naive beyond belief to think that other Islamic countries want progress in themselves, let alone another country. In fact there are quite powerful forces in those countries that look at Afghanistan and say "They've got it right"

I'm a big fan of history. And it's not really a subject that can be appreciated if you never leave your own world to try to grasp the weirdness of others. Be it ancient Greece or the weirdness of Afghanistan.