Nigel Farage on abortions- slippery slope?

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Following the speech, Farage was also asked about his view on abortion limits. He replied that he was pro-choice but that it was "utterly ludicrous" for abortion to be allowed up to 24 weeks, when a hospital would "move heaven and earth" to help a baby born at 22 weeks survive.

Aibu to think it may be a slippery slope to reducing the number of weeks until it is effectively banned...

Anyway it's a bit of a non issue on Nigel's part given nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.so very few abortions happen at 24 weeks.

Now i remember why I requested a tubal ligation when I was pregnant with first baby as I didn't want anymore in any circumstances. It was predictably denied so dh got a vasectomy instead.

6-8 weeks then?

No relevance whatsoever to your second sentence.

You are an utter fanatic who wants to ban all abortion. A foetal heartbeat or rather cardiac activity (the heart is not formed) begins around 5 weeks after conception, when many women don’t even realise they are pregnant. Thankfully you are in a tiny minority in the UK.

@Menopausalsourpuss 15% of women feeling pressure is NOT the same as 15% being coerced into an abortion. And if you can't understand that distinction then you really are not in a position to even be part of this discussion.

How many women with larger families have commented that their extended families were horrified at their decision and suggested abortion?

How many younger women getting pregnant experience pressure from their parents or their partners to get an abortion (probably for different reasons?).

There are loads of reasons a woman might be be told by others she should get n abortion.

But many are also told they should NOT get an abortion when they want one.

It's all just part of the reality that women are consistently under pressure from.society, family and partners to do things and be things they dont actually want to do or be.

Nearly every day on MN there are posts by women threatened or coerced into abortion.

My second sentence was a question, would you care to answer it?

This, a million times over (and I hate exaggeration, but believe the million to be relevant here).

What?! I spend WAY too much time on mn and have seen nothing of the sort.

Where did I say I want to ban all abortion?

nearly 94% of reported abortions happen before two and a half months of pregnancy.

Thought it would be higher than this tbh.

I've had 2 early abortions so am clearly absolutely not anti abortion, I supported and drove my friend to hers in December.

I am currently 23 weeks. She's kicking and moving I would break legs to save her if I was to go into pre term labour. Late term abortions aren't anything like early ones, the trauma the mother goes through physically is totally different. I also think more needs support and emphasis should be put on adoption.

Nobody does. Even in countries where it’s permitted - nobody elects to have an abortion just before birth other than when the fetus has abnormalities not compatible with life or where the mums life needs to be saved. A heartbeat can be detected incredibly early and would mean many women would not be eligible before they even know they are pregnant. And at the stage of a heartbeat it’s not a baby, looks nothing like a baby and feels nothing.

The f are you on about 😂

I don't think this is the reason, as others have said you can have a termination for medical reasons past 24 weeks anyway.

Virtually nobody is having a late term abortion through actual choice though - it's generally having to choose between two horrific scenarios.

“I also think more needs support and emphasis should be put on adoption.”

What are you doing to facilitate this?

A heartbeat in an actually formed and functional heart or cardiac activity? One occurs much later than the other?

Anything for a headline Nigel. Nasty piece of work

We don't have the death penalty in this country because of the outlier possibility that someone innocent might be executed. Even in an age of DNA, copious CCTV and digital footprints it's still thought not worth the risk that one life might be unjustly taken.

Yet the majority on here think it perfectly fine to allow abortion up to birth because no mother would EVER chose this due to less than scrupulous reasons. There would never be a mother with a chaotic life, addictions, domestic issues, mental health problems, or any other problem that would mean she'd choose to "abort" a perfectly healthy baby at 40 weeks. When it comes to abortion the whole "all life is sacred / one innocent is too many", shtick goes out the window.

As people have pointed out you can have a late term abortion for medical reasons ANYWAY. And just because YOU personally would never abort a 40 week old healthy baby doesn't mean there wouldn't be someone who would given the chance. A horrific evil.

Women seem to have a real issue with clear moral thinking around abortion. It is enormously depressing.

But not a question relevant to when you consider a foetus to be a person, which is at a very early stage of gestation.

I ignored your question to be honest as it’s utterly irrelevant to this debate. That would be illegal under current law so not a scenario worth discussing?

Personally I think the current rules are a sensible balance.

I think it is dangerous though that some MPs are trying to decriminalise the whole thing though, so that abortions up to term would not be prosecuted.

They are going to end up turning this into a culture war battle, which is not needed when the current rules are fine.

What a ridiculous comment. So unless someone is in a position to set up an adoption clinic they're not entitled to an opinion on abortion?

Out of interest what are you doing to facilitate the end of the Ukraine war or to negotiate peace with Israel/Palestine? If you're not doing anything then I hope you're not giving any opinion on it

Who is arguing for abortion to term without medical cause?

I had a double contraception failure (triple if you count the fact I conceived a few days before my period was due). At 5 -6 weeks I had an early scan because I couldn’t actually believe I was pregnant.

there was a heart beat. Many people wouldn’t even know they are pregnant then let alone be able to work out what they wanted, organise an abortion and get one.

Adoption these days is always open meaning that the child knows they are adopted and have access to details about their birth family. The idea that it’s a simple solution to just have your baby adopted if you don’t want it is ludicrous. First, you have to go through the pregnancy. As well as the physical trauma of that (if it’s unwanted) you will also have your family, friends, neighbours, colleagues, strangers on the street knowing you are pregnant, probably congratulating you, awkward conversations if you say you’re not keeping it, extreme social stigma (“what sort of a woman gives up her baby”), attempts at changing your mind (“I will buy you a house if you keep the baby, it’s my grandchild”), other members of the family wanting to keep in touch with the baby post-adoption (and likely succeeding). Oh and then when the child is older, contact from the child and questions about how you could give them up etc.

It’s the shittest idea ever and only worked in the past because young girls concealed their pregnancy, were sent away to give birth and the child was not told they were adopted. It just doesn’t work in today’s society.

Very good point

It’s so depressing how the forced birthers always focus on the very late term abortions. Which are always a hideous least worst choice.