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Angela Rayner set up to fail

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billysboy · 25/05/2025 06:39

I can help think that Angela Rayner has been set up to fail on her housing targets
having promised to build ( not convert old offices ) 1.5m new homes by the end of her term the government seems woefully behind
for the next 4 years 370k homes will need to be built each year to achieve this as currently 225 k new homes last year

I can’t help think that she is doomed to fail without massive planning reforms and a huge social housing building programme

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Bluebrain · 25/05/2025 15:13

According to press today, Sunday, Govt looking to take unbuilt land from developers. I hope they find a way to do this. If Rayner's dept take back and sell it to someone willing to build within a time limit.
Broader problems with Angela Rayner are to do with her being Left wing like Corbyn and very sympathetic to anything the Trade Unions ask for like the new 'rights' she is planning. Within Government there is resistance because it will not promote growth.

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:17

Livelovebehappy · 25/05/2025 09:04

She's very much cut from the same cloth as her chum Corbyn. And look how much support he had from the public when he stood against Boris. She's old Labour and as far to the left as you can go. She's lucky she holds a position of power within the party, because she's so out of her depth, it's embarrassing. I don't think her thinking aligns with Starmer at all, but of course she has to plod along with it.

She's nothing like Corbyn. She's much more of a pragmatist and nowhere near as left wing. Very different backgrounds, too, Corbyn comes from a comfortable middle-class family and Rayner is as working class as they come.

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:34

midlandsmummy123 · 25/05/2025 11:24

Other than working as a care worker when she left school I believe she's only ever worked for the labour party, if she'd worked for some large house building companies or social housing organisation she might have more understanding.

I don't think she's ever been a Labour party staffer.

Are you getting confused with her working for Unison?

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 15:40

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:17

She's nothing like Corbyn. She's much more of a pragmatist and nowhere near as left wing. Very different backgrounds, too, Corbyn comes from a comfortable middle-class family and Rayner is as working class as they come.

Rayner is as working class as they come 😂

Angela Rayner set up to fail
LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:52

hartfelt · 25/05/2025 14:42

Surely the easiest solution to the housing crisis is to reduce demand by massively reducing immigration which is where the majority of new household formation/demand comes from, especially when unemployment and underemployment are at an all time high and the benefits bill is exploding.

There are never going to be enough homes built if you have excess demand of 500k plus people per year, it's just not do-able and is the elephant in the room. Eventually families will start living 5+ people to a room, paying thousands for the privilege and politicians will act like they didn't understand how this country got there. It's bonkers.

Have you got a source for unemployment being at all-time high, please?

My memory is that the unemployment rate was above 10% in the early 80s, and I suspect it's far lower than that now. And, if my memory's correct, even the >10% wasn't as high as unemployment in the 1930s.

The "benefits bill" includes pensioners, who are now living longer than ever, and people who are unable to work for health reasons. Reducing immigration will do nothing to mitigate that. And we have shortages of workers in many areas; this article explores some of the reasons:

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CurlewKate · 25/05/2025 15:56

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 15:40

Rayner is as working class as they come 😂

Are you suggesting she isn’t?

ruffler45 · 25/05/2025 16:01

Cant see her being a success on the international stage, more experienced politicans have and would eat her alive...

bombastix · 25/05/2025 16:02

I don’t know but I’m not sure who should be more insulted by the “working class” comment????

nahthatsnotforme · 25/05/2025 16:03

She doesn’t need any help to fail

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 16:08

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PandoraSocks · 25/05/2025 16:08

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:52

Have you got a source for unemployment being at all-time high, please?

My memory is that the unemployment rate was above 10% in the early 80s, and I suspect it's far lower than that now. And, if my memory's correct, even the >10% wasn't as high as unemployment in the 1930s.

The "benefits bill" includes pensioners, who are now living longer than ever, and people who are unable to work for health reasons. Reducing immigration will do nothing to mitigate that. And we have shortages of workers in many areas; this article explores some of the reasons:

especially when unemployment and underemployment are at an all time high and the benefits bill is exploding

The unemployment rate from 2010 to early 2017 was higher than it is now @hartfelt Much, much higher in some years.

(Sorry Lakielady, quoted the wrong post!)

Angela Rayner set up to fail
Livelovebehappy · 25/05/2025 16:11

LakieLady · 25/05/2025 15:17

She's nothing like Corbyn. She's much more of a pragmatist and nowhere near as left wing. Very different backgrounds, too, Corbyn comes from a comfortable middle-class family and Rayner is as working class as they come.

Absolutely is like Corbyn. He had her in his cabinet, and everyone knows he would ignore/cut out anyone who didn’t agree with his own policies. I would say she is very much to the left, and is nowhere near as vocal about her opinions as she used to be. Very much muted since Labour came into power.

bombastix · 25/05/2025 16:17

She shares some of her left wing opinions with Corbyn. However the critical difference is that she’s in power which he never managed and is likely to do something which Corbyn never managed either.

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 16:23

@MNHQ I think you should actually look up what a "common thick-knee" is, before rushing to delete my posts from overly sensitive lefty's who name themselves after them😂

Spitalfieldrose · 25/05/2025 16:26

The only time we have ever managed to build that number of houses in the UK was 1934-36. We did a very impressive 300k a year and 2m overall for the whole of the 1930s.

We’ve not managed it since. There isn’t enough builders, and IIRC we can’t even make enough bricks for that many houses. Quite why they thought they’d announce such an ambitious target I don’t know? Probably sounded like a good bit of PR. So frankly they’ve bought it on themselves.

CurlewKate · 25/05/2025 16:33

skymagentatwo · 25/05/2025 16:23

@MNHQ I think you should actually look up what a "common thick-knee" is, before rushing to delete my posts from overly sensitive lefty's who name themselves after them😂

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What a shame your post was deleted before I had a chance to read it. Bit of a waste, really. I’m sure was incredibly informative!
Leftys does not need an apostrophe-and the usual spelling is Lefties, BTW.

tobee · 25/05/2025 16:34

So how do you account for the vile misogyny there is towards from right wing voices Rachel Reeves @HoskinsChoice ?

tobee · 25/05/2025 16:36

Boredlass · 25/05/2025 08:47

Can’t stand her so hope she does. How she has got as high up as she has is dumbfounding. Nasty woman. Yes, I have met her before…

Oh well if you've met her then you're obviously 100% to be listened to 🙄

Badbadbunny · 25/05/2025 16:37

@HoskinsChoice

I'm astounded that Starmer appointed her, she's an embarrassment to the party.

He had no choice. Starmer had to appoint who the Labour paymasters wanted to deputy PM. Just like Blair appointed Prescott, who was likewise woefully incapable of such high office.

Badbadbunny · 25/05/2025 16:41

@LakieLady

Have you got a source for unemployment being at all-time high, please?

She included "underemployment"!

Statistics seem to show that we have historically high numbers of people not currently working (unemployed, early retirees, etc) as well as unemployed and disabled, etc.

It's not just those claiming unemployment benefits, more people than ever aren't working or are working relatively small numbers of hours.

Evilspiritgin · 25/05/2025 16:47

So the government are going to make developers build thousands of houses , while forget about the infrastructure so hundreds more people on the books at the doctors, more kids squished into classes without any extra teachers etc

and not withstanding ruin what make Britain beautiful the countryside and wildlife

Julen7 · 25/05/2025 17:27

Evilspiritgin · 25/05/2025 16:47

So the government are going to make developers build thousands of houses , while forget about the infrastructure so hundreds more people on the books at the doctors, more kids squished into classes without any extra teachers etc

and not withstanding ruin what make Britain beautiful the countryside and wildlife

Hopefully they’ll be gone before the plans ever get off the ground.

Wherewillitend25 · 25/05/2025 17:43

They can’t “make” developers build thousands of houses though. No developer will build houses that won’t sell. I also can’t see how they can legally compulsory purchase the land bank of a private company. Even if they did, what would they do with it?
They can increase the s106 contribution required, so more infrastructure is built to support any new estates but that increase will simply be passed on to buyers, so housing becomes even more unaffordable. We need more affordable housing.

AngelinaFibres · 25/05/2025 18:13

CurlewKate · 25/05/2025 08:46

Say you’re a snob without saying you’re a snob.

I definitely am.

bombastix · 25/05/2025 18:20

Wherewillitend25 · 25/05/2025 17:43

They can’t “make” developers build thousands of houses though. No developer will build houses that won’t sell. I also can’t see how they can legally compulsory purchase the land bank of a private company. Even if they did, what would they do with it?
They can increase the s106 contribution required, so more infrastructure is built to support any new estates but that increase will simply be passed on to buyers, so housing becomes even more unaffordable. We need more affordable housing.

All of that is a bit moot if you do not intend to sell. If you are building social housing for rent only, or intend to, this is a sensible start. Rayner presumably sees a much lesser need to support the profit motive because she’s a left winger. So to her, if she does get power or gives it to a local council to obtain land, with a power to fine, this would probably mean the start of a structural change on social housing where the land, design and building is dominated by the state. As it once was…

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