Angela Rayner set up to fail

[billysboy]

I can help think that Angela Rayner has been set up to fail on her housing targets
having promised to build ( not convert old offices ) 1.5m new homes by the end of her term the government seems woefully behind
for the next 4 years 370k homes will need to be built each year to achieve this as currently 225 k new homes last year

I can’t help think that she is doomed to fail without massive planning reforms and a huge social housing building programme

Everyone tasked with this for the last 20 years has failed . I'd rather she had ambitious targets that acknowledge the scale of the problem.

Every housing minister has failed at meeting their house building targets, so I doubt it will do her much long term damage.

Theres far too much reliance on the big home builders, who aren’t really incentivised to build too many homes. Plus the process of buying land, planning, building… can take years in itself!

TBH as long as we are growing the population by 500k-1m people a year, even these targets are woefully low. Maybe we should be addressing that challenge too, as it’s part of this story.

I thought you meant set up to fail generally. Certainly the misogynist, classist way she is frequently talked about must make it very difficult for her- it makes my blood boil.

Rayner's description of the Tories as 'scum' was her downfall. I can say that, you can say that but politicians should be above name calling. She gave herself away as not having the level of emotional intelligence to be a true politician. In a time where several politicians have been physically attacked or murdered, the way she spoke was, at best, unsophisticated and, at worst, dangerous and inciting hatred. It's nothing to do with class or misogyny, it's simply because she is not fit to hold a position in office. I'm astounded that Starmer appointed her, she's an embarrassment to the party.

Thats what I am wondering , i get the impression that the elite boys have had to have her on the team and then saddled her with an impossible task as the number of homes to be built will just keep compounding

There are things we aren’t talking about with the housing shortage.

One of them is the demise of multi generational housing. Granny no longer moves in with one of the dc when she’s older.

The other is divorce. Many families have two houses big enough for the DC but only fully occupied part time. So what was one family now spread across two homes.

I’m not saying that the above should/shouldn’t happen, just highlighting that it does and impacts the number of homes we need to build.

Most governments set targets for various things. Few are met and it rarely makes much difference in the long run.

Starmer can't get rid of her, because she was voted for by Labour members.

When he tried to take some responsibilities away from her while in opposition she came out of the meeting with more titles.

I'm sure they'd love for her to go.

I don't agree with her politically, but I thought she was good when she stood in for Starmer at PM questions while in opposition.

No, I don’t think she has been set up to fail. This government, like all the others, makes big promises that sound great to the electorate, whilst seemingly hoping that said electorate won’t understand that they are empty promises?
The only way to meet this target would be for the government to invest billions in the building of social housing. That would be fantastic and we definitely need it but funding it would be nigh on impossible, we as a country simply don’t have the money.
But AR or KS or any politician simply don’t have the power to force private companies to build. Private companies will continue to build what they can profitably sell and if the economy continues as it is, people won’t be buying much of anything.

She's as rough as they come. Absolutely vile

Thing is, I want to like her because she has worked her way up in a sharp-elbowed, London-based, middle-class dominated 'profession'. She might not be an academic, but nor is she shallow and vacuous.

I'm also a Northerner from a nearby area. TBH, I think the dislike of her is more related to her social class, accent, etc. than her gender. I've heard middle-class women say some truly nasty things about her.

But, here's the rub - she's not yet convinced me that she's simply not just another everyday gobshite (I know quite a few) and I also think she'd sell your mother to the unions. That's my problem with her.

She just needs to grow up a little politically and align herself more with the people, not the unions (who are not interested in anyone but themselves). Be a bit more 'Prescott', I think that's what I'm saying.

What the old joke, ‘how do you know when a politician is lying?’
They are talking.
All politicians make ridiculous promises none of which are ever carried through. Perhaps we should report them to trading standards.

Say you’re a snob without saying you’re a snob.

Can’t stand her so hope she does. How she has got as high up as she has is dumbfounding. Nasty woman. Yes, I have met her before…

In reality, the targets aren't that much higher then what the Tories were building. I suggests she shuts up and gets the job done. No excuses.

I am a centre left voter - sorry I wouldn’t vote for her in a million years - it’s all very well saying it’s a classist mysoginistic thing , but it isn’t - I don’t give a shit she’s a woman , I have and would have voted for Yvette cooper in the past and still like her , I’ve liked plenty of Labour women and have met some I would have given top jobs too - I sImply don’t like Angela Rayners style - I’ve never once heard her make a totally great speech and she sounds thick - never once heard her say anything that deep ( and no it’s not just her accent) - I wouldn’t vote for a bloke as PM like that , so why would I vote for her just because she’s a woman. In fact I think she’s been massively over promoted as it is to keep the corbynite left of the party happy .

I think this is the heart of it. She’s not exactly been set up to fail, but they are trying to keep her busy because they know she has a lot of support. And I agree she is a good stand in on DPMQ. (Would love to see her against Kemi instead of Oliver D).

Pat McFadden knows that Ang’s proposed workers reforms are problematic for the economy and is probably working on pushing them into the long grass.

She's very much cut from the same cloth as her chum Corbyn. And look how much support he had from the public when he stood against Boris. She's old Labour and as far to the left as you can go. She's lucky she holds a position of power within the party, because she's so out of her depth, it's embarrassing. I don't think her thinking aligns with Starmer at all, but of course she has to plod along with it.

I love Angela Raynor.

Totally agree . This is never mentioned. I live in a 3 bed house with one dc.Eventually they will move out and I will be here alone. I bought the house off a lady who lived here with her late husband, 3 dc and at one point an elderly aunt!
My divorced parents both live in 3 bed houses alone. So do many older relatives and neighbours .
I accept that my own situation means I’m part of the problem but we all live very differently to our parents generation. Sorry derail🙈

What makes you say this? In what way is she 'vile'? That's a strong word to use.

Tell me,@Crikeyalmighty what is it about the Balliol educated Yvette Cooper that makes you prefer her to Angela Rayner?

gutter trash
chav

Wow. 🙄

Yes I don’t understand why we rely on major house builders when it’s not in their interest for prices to level off or fall (ie if supply goes up).