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She died and no one said thank you 🥲

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Summervibes12 · 24/05/2025 00:08

My husbands aunt religiously has sent our children Christmas and birthday presents for the last 19 years. I am an absolute stickler for the children having to contact relatives to thank them.

My daughter’s birthday was 8 weeks ago and my husband’s aunt sent gift as normal. My daughter told me she is the only person she needs to thank as she wanted her Dad to make the call, and she would go on the phone and say thank you and husband would continue the conversation. Elderly lady, bad hearing and no mobile phone.

I reminded them numerous times to do this. She has a terminal illness and I was always reminding him to keep in touch. We don’t live in the same country.

At 4pm he told me his mother had rang to say Aunt was very unwell. I asked him had he rang her post our daughters birthday and he said no. I said that I thought that was really poor form and he was really cross at me. Said it was not the time to bring that up. She had a terminal illness and could make the effort to organise a present for our child and he couldn’t be arsed to thank her.

Over our 23 year marriage I have stepped in the past and rang for him but this just annoys him. So I stopped doing it.

She died tonight. I am just so annoyed at my husband. He thinks I am being unreasonable for bringing this up.

I get he is upset as he really loved her but men have to step up and show it.

YABU - I should have said nothing,
YANBU - I was right to call him out

OP posts:
GreenCandleWax · 24/05/2025 15:38

BlotAnExpert · 24/05/2025 15:34

It's not about their feelings or even my own. I fully know what I should do, usually I even want to do, I just often can't / don't. I know this sounds ridiculous but it's what happens. I do wonder if it is related to ADHD, I am not diagnosed and have always been a bit sniffy about it but I am coming to realise I have a lot of the issues ADHDers experience.

I don't know enough about ADHD to comment on that, but you say it is not about other people's feelings. I think that might be the core of the issue - are you thinking about what you ought to do, or want to do, but lacking the necessary empathy for the other's person's situation or their feelings? You say you can't respond. Are you perhaps depressed?

one2one2 · 24/05/2025 15:46

BlotAnExpert · 24/05/2025 15:34

It's not about their feelings or even my own. I fully know what I should do, usually I even want to do, I just often can't / don't. I know this sounds ridiculous but it's what happens. I do wonder if it is related to ADHD, I am not diagnosed and have always been a bit sniffy about it but I am coming to realise I have a lot of the issues ADHDers experience.

How about if people do the same to you? Do you feel hurt or not care? So if your mum died, and nobody said anything would you be ok with that?

Duvetsse · 24/05/2025 15:47

OP, your intentions were good towards a lovely kind woman.

Your husband is just another selfish lazy man who even the bare minimum of a phonecall to say thanks, was an ordeal for him.

Hard for respect not to be chipped away when you see such consistent selfishness.

BlotAnExpert · 24/05/2025 16:02

GreenCandleWax · 24/05/2025 15:38

I don't know enough about ADHD to comment on that, but you say it is not about other people's feelings. I think that might be the core of the issue - are you thinking about what you ought to do, or want to do, but lacking the necessary empathy for the other's person's situation or their feelings? You say you can't respond. Are you perhaps depressed?

I think you misunderstood me, I care massively about the other person's feelings, often think about that constantly but can't get over the mental block. Have had depression and anxiety intermittently for several years but felt like this before that. I can be very avoidant in other scenarios which has caused issues. I'm working on it, all of it.

Anyway, I was just trying to give a different perspective to the OP, don't want to derail the thread.

FedupofArsenalgame · 24/05/2025 16:18

amybabysa · 24/05/2025 09:14

Maybe you should RTFT, I immediately amended this and posted straight away. Idiot.

Edited

Well the original post certainly hadn't been edited when I replied to it

And obviously you hadn't read the full thread yourself as you would've known the Aunt had died before saying about sending a letter so a bit hypocritical

anikarice · 24/05/2025 16:24

i don’t think he’s that devestated to be honest she was an old lady and they don’t live in same country.. i doubt he’s. deep in grief so leave off the op. she’s feeling guilty

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 24/05/2025 17:15

Gosh, so many himpthizers here, twisting themselves into pretzels trying to excuse the crappy H and blame everyone else, especially OP.

OP seems to be the only one that cared a damn for the loving terminally-ill old aunt, and she wasn't even from OP's side of the family.

This guy cba calling his dying aunt FFG. He's a bad mannered careless jerk and I doubt VERY much that he feels much guilt.

All the PPs getting all het up on his behalf should find someone more deserving of their sympathy. Believe me, if you were his dying relative, he cba about you either.

one2one2 · 24/05/2025 17:19

anikarice · 24/05/2025 16:24

i don’t think he’s that devestated to be honest she was an old lady and they don’t live in same country.. i doubt he’s. deep in grief so leave off the op. she’s feeling guilty

He didn't care and he didn't want anyone else to care either.

BIossomtoes · 24/05/2025 17:19

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 24/05/2025 17:15

Gosh, so many himpthizers here, twisting themselves into pretzels trying to excuse the crappy H and blame everyone else, especially OP.

OP seems to be the only one that cared a damn for the loving terminally-ill old aunt, and she wasn't even from OP's side of the family.

This guy cba calling his dying aunt FFG. He's a bad mannered careless jerk and I doubt VERY much that he feels much guilt.

All the PPs getting all het up on his behalf should find someone more deserving of their sympathy. Believe me, if you were his dying relative, he cba about you either.

You don’t think a 17 year is capable of thanking someone for their own birthday present? It’s not her dad who’s crappy, it’s her.

DBD1975 · 24/05/2025 18:07

Anyahyacinth · 24/05/2025 10:37

I'm an Auntie who stopped generous, thought out gifts when the children 18+ because I'd never even get an acknowledgement they'd arrived. Now it's £10 in a card. I understand your thinking but I think you are carrying an emotional load that is your husbands. Maybe the lesson is to consider how many other things you are carrying that are his responsibility and put the load down.

Same, I did it for nieces and great nieces and great nephews for years without the courtesy of a thank you.
I decided to stop and the family have cut me off, says it all really, the sense of entitlement, greed and total disrespect. I was only ever money and gifts to them.
I don't miss them at all, I would advocate others on here who have experienced the same to do likewise.

Thanksforyourlackofthought · 24/05/2025 18:19

Bit confused.A 17 year old needs her dad to make a call so she can then speak to the person? The Aunt would still have an accent no matter who makes the call.
Sorry, but I think your DD is in the wrong here.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 24/05/2025 18:37

BIossomtoes · 24/05/2025 17:19

You don’t think a 17 year is capable of thanking someone for their own birthday present? It’s not her dad who’s crappy, it’s her.

He's an adult, a grown man, and he couldn't be bothered to call his dying aunt. Yes, he's a crappy human being.

The kid was trying to get her father to mediate a phone call several times (due to accent), but no, he couldn't be bothered.

The only one at fault here is the H, who is a really selfish person who doesn't deserve loving relatives.

My FIL was like this. When we were visiting my ILs once, FIL's sister called from the hospital. She had been diagnosed with terminal cancer a few days previously. MIL picked up and talked for a bit, but the person aunt really wanted to talk to was her brother. She adored him. FIL didn't want to talk and tried waving his wife off but eventually reluctantly took the phone and made his boredom, impatience, and irritation plain to his sister. It was appalling. My H and MIL looked at each other silently, like resigned and shaking their heads, and I was just so disgusted by my shitty selfish FIL. His sister was a really loving and giving person, and as the eldest sister had always looked out for her little brother. How he treated her was unfathomable, and showed exactly who he was.

People like that don't deserve sympathy.

DBD1975 · 24/05/2025 21:10

KnittyNell · 24/05/2025 07:53

Can someone please tell me why it’s deemed to be the husband’s fault and not the daughter’s?
I have read the whole thread and still can’t comprehend it.

The daughter is only 8 years old so would need help.

BIossomtoes · 24/05/2025 21:12

The kid was trying to get her father to mediate a phone call several times (due to accent), but no, he couldn't be bothered.

She could have written a letter or a card but no, she couldn’t be bothered.

BIossomtoes · 24/05/2025 21:14

DBD1975 · 24/05/2025 21:10

The daughter is only 8 years old so would need help.

She’s 17!

JDM625 · 24/05/2025 21:16

DBD1975 · 24/05/2025 21:10

The daughter is only 8 years old so would need help.

Have you read the thread??? Clearly not! The daughter is 17!

Yolo12345 · 24/05/2025 21:31

Honestly the men in my life are just shit at caring about their relatives…

one2one2 · 24/05/2025 22:19

Yolo12345 · 24/05/2025 21:31

Honestly the men in my life are just shit at caring about their relatives…

A lot farm out the care to the nearest woman.

Feetinthegrass · 25/05/2025 05:38

Yolo12345 · 24/05/2025 21:31

Honestly the men in my life are just shit at caring about their relatives…

Then the relatives should stop making the effort! I can’t see why people persevere with family relationships that are so one sided.

Men are fully capable of posting a card, having a diary and scheduling in calls/meet ups. If they don’t care enough to be bothered why should anyone else carry the load? It needs to stop.

Men need to pull their weight generally and whilst we continue to facilitate an easy life with zero effort required of them, they will continue to do nothing. If they want a family connection they have to work to keep it, the same as everyone else.

one2one2 · 25/05/2025 08:07

Feetinthegrass · 25/05/2025 05:38

Then the relatives should stop making the effort! I can’t see why people persevere with family relationships that are so one sided.

Men are fully capable of posting a card, having a diary and scheduling in calls/meet ups. If they don’t care enough to be bothered why should anyone else carry the load? It needs to stop.

Men need to pull their weight generally and whilst we continue to facilitate an easy life with zero effort required of them, they will continue to do nothing. If they want a family connection they have to work to keep it, the same as everyone else.

The women tend to get the blame not the men so that is why they often step up. It is 'acceptable' for the men not to bother.

one2one2 · 25/05/2025 08:12

Northernparent68 · 24/05/2025 11:33

That’s not what people are saying, the OP took responsibility for managing her husbands relationship with his family, that was her choice

It was her choice yes. It was annoying her DH but she carried on.

WhatterySquash · 25/05/2025 09:19

Yes, I made this choice too, though I stopped bothering with my ex’s mum when we separated and now their relationship is not my business (might have been different if she was lovely and an involved grandma, but she’s not).

The reason I did was essentially guilt and feeling bad if someone went unthanked or similarly went ignored on their birthday. I’d nag ex and ultimately do it myself rather than worry about the person feeling upset.

That’s female socialisation at work but also kind of basic decency. The question is why men aren’t socialised that way too - or perhaps there is some other more innate difference. Hard to tell but socialisation is powerful.

miraxxx · 25/05/2025 09:39

sundaybloodysunday12 · 24/05/2025 11:06

Oh ffs. A dying woman managed to send a gift. A grown man couldn’t be arsed to lift the phone to say thank you when he knew she was elderly and had a terminal illness.

Oh boo hoo for the grieving man.

Give your head a wobble.

Yes, there are a lot of ball carriers here.

one2one2 · 25/05/2025 10:20

WhatterySquash · 25/05/2025 09:19

Yes, I made this choice too, though I stopped bothering with my ex’s mum when we separated and now their relationship is not my business (might have been different if she was lovely and an involved grandma, but she’s not).

The reason I did was essentially guilt and feeling bad if someone went unthanked or similarly went ignored on their birthday. I’d nag ex and ultimately do it myself rather than worry about the person feeling upset.

That’s female socialisation at work but also kind of basic decency. The question is why men aren’t socialised that way too - or perhaps there is some other more innate difference. Hard to tell but socialisation is powerful.

You can't be responsible for basic decency for adults.

Men don't need to be socialised that way when there is a woman to 'nag' in your case.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 25/05/2025 10:33

WhatterySquash · 25/05/2025 09:19

Yes, I made this choice too, though I stopped bothering with my ex’s mum when we separated and now their relationship is not my business (might have been different if she was lovely and an involved grandma, but she’s not).

The reason I did was essentially guilt and feeling bad if someone went unthanked or similarly went ignored on their birthday. I’d nag ex and ultimately do it myself rather than worry about the person feeling upset.

That’s female socialisation at work but also kind of basic decency. The question is why men aren’t socialised that way too - or perhaps there is some other more innate difference. Hard to tell but socialisation is powerful.

Exactly! Socialiation and above all decency.

We used to live on a different continent from both my H's ILs and my mother. I used to sit with my kids encouraging them to write thank you letters and drawings to my mother when she sent presents, and out of politeness did the same for presents from H's relatives. My H's relatives would praise H to the sky about how polite and well-mannered his kids are, while complaining about the other grandkids, how they never even heard whether the presents arrived, let alone whether the kids enjoyed them.

My H gloried and revelled in all the praise.

Then my mother died, and I realised that I had unwittingly become H's social secretary for his dealings with his own family. I was still sitting with the kids, helping them write thank you letters etc to IL presents, but I was starting to think, "Wait. H should be doing this, it's HIS family."

Around this time, a conflict arose between me and SIL, and rather than let us work it out together, MIL waded in to defend her daughter and attack me. Which let me know in no uncertain terms that I had only been tolerated as an addition to MIL's family, rather than being loved and appreciated and welcomed.

So I withdrew and told my H that he should do all the thank you letters, AND send them photos of the kids (these were the days we had to get photos printed and send them by snail mail) - I had been doing all that too.

Did he do any of it? No. Cba. His mother complained, his sister complained. And guess who got the blame? ME! Now I was even more evil than before, because I was not continuing my social secretary work for H. AND unbelievably, my H also had a go at me, saying that I was being Old Testament and unforgiving and I was harming the relationship between the kids and their GPs! TF!!

You can be sure he got thoroughly scorched for that. But this entire experience showed me how patriarchy and socialisation creeps up on you, and how before you know it you're expending tons of energy and time on your H's personal relationships with others. It's rubbish and women should stop doing it. Men need to learn to work harder at their relationships themselves, not expect women to do all their emotional (and other) labor.

Later I found myself still getting H to get the kids to write thank you letters to H's nice relatives, who I liked and were frail and elderly, because I knew how much it meant to them to get the letters from the kids. Just like in OP's situation. But at least my H DID do it, and didn't tell me I was nagging, because actually he loved those relatives too. And I made it clear that I expected them all to do this by themselves eventually. And in fact, they all - including H - learned and now he and the kids have their own relationships with them, at least the ones who are still alive.

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