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To have not realised prayers in school was still a thing?

325 replies

UnreadyEthel · 23/05/2025 18:14

DS1 (5) started school in September. One of the reasons I chose the school was that it had no obvious religious affiliation, while another good school in the area is a Christian school. We are secular.

This morning DS1 mentioned over breakfast that they say prayers at school before they eat lunch. I was absolutely gobsmacked. It’s not something I’ve ever come across in non-religious schools (and I have worked in plenty, mainly in cities). DH, who is from the rural area we now live in, was less surprised. ‘I had to do it all the way through school and it never harmed me’. I have sent a polite email to the headteacher asking for clarification of their policies.

DS2 (3) attends the very small nursery next to the school. I asked at pickup today whether they say prayers there and the nursery teacher said ‘yes, of course’. When I asked if DS2 could opt out please she said they’d never come across the situation before, and whether I wanted her to tell him off if he joined in out of habit! I wonder whether they haven’t come across another child who wanted to opt out before because other parents aren’t aware it’s going on? And because they obviously haven’t read the forms I filled in when he enrolled. I also asked what they would do if there was a child of a different religion, but she didn’t know.

AIBU to think this is an outdated practice? Or should I just accept it’s something that comes with raising children in a more rural area of the UK?

OP posts:
WartFace · 24/05/2025 19:08

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:05

Maybe because the school still held its roots in Christianity. Good job the religion advocates sacrifice, redemption, belief and hope. What awful values to hold.

Do you actually think the OP is not entitled to an opinion?

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/05/2025 19:10

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 18:25

Ah, here we go again. So you're happy for your child to be involved in diversity, except when it comes to Christianity. As for the hyperbolic word "worship". 😂

I'm happy for my child to be involved in diversity when it comes to looking at all religions. They did events for Diwali, Hannukah and Eid and Chinese New Year and other festivals.
I'm happy for them to do Christmas and Easter in the context of those.
I'm not happy for them to be required to undertake a daily act of worship specific to one religion. It puts that one religion above the others.
Worship = praying in the context of the schools mentioned, alongside assemblies looking at bible stories and texts. So yes, worship.

Parker231 · 24/05/2025 19:12

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:05

Maybe because the school still held its roots in Christianity. Good job the religion advocates sacrifice, redemption, belief and hope. What awful values to hold.

I’m a big believer in separation of church and state - thankfully many countries respect this.

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:25

WartFace · 24/05/2025 19:08

Do you actually think the OP is not entitled to an opinion?

What a redundant question on an AIBU thread. She holds an opinion on which she is invited to be judged.

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:27

Parker231 · 24/05/2025 19:12

I’m a big believer in separation of church and state - thankfully many countries respect this.

Well I guess that depends on where you holiday. Good luck with denigrating host country's seeded beliefs.

WartFace · 24/05/2025 19:29

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:25

What a redundant question on an AIBU thread. She holds an opinion on which she is invited to be judged.

Fair enough. You’re very defensive, though. I’m sure God is big enough to rise above those who don’t want anything to do with him/her.

shuggles · 24/05/2025 19:31

@UnreadyEthel I disagree. You have absolutely no idea what else I put my energy into. I don’t have an SUV or an open fire

You cannot disagree, because this is not a matter of opinion or perspective. This is a matter of facts.

40,000 deaths a year are caused by air pollution: www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/idling/

"Poor air quality is the largest environmental risk to public health in the UK, as long-term exposure to air pollution can cause chronic conditions such as cardiovascular and respiratory diseases as well as lung cancer, leading to reduced life expectancy.":

www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-air-pollution/health-matters-air-pollution

Do you believe that praying causes "chronic conditions such as cardiovascular and respiratory diseases as well as lung cancer, leading to reduced life expectancy"? If yes, can you provide those scientific publications please?

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:31

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/05/2025 19:10

I'm happy for my child to be involved in diversity when it comes to looking at all religions. They did events for Diwali, Hannukah and Eid and Chinese New Year and other festivals.
I'm happy for them to do Christmas and Easter in the context of those.
I'm not happy for them to be required to undertake a daily act of worship specific to one religion. It puts that one religion above the others.
Worship = praying in the context of the schools mentioned, alongside assemblies looking at bible stories and texts. So yes, worship.

Good luck on teaching them about Halal methods of worshipping and destroying. So easy to drive a tractor through these hypocritical posts.

CurlewKate · 24/05/2025 19:32

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 18:44

Right, so you assumed I was referring to Islam? I guess then you're minimising the religious spectrum. You still havent provided specifics about Islamaphobia. As for your second point, come on, you're over every thread about Christianity!

Well, if you didn’t mean Islam, why didn’t you clarify? What religion did you mean when you suggested that asking to alter it’s practice would not go down well?
Yes, I am very interested in religion and its place in society. Please give me an example of my hatred of Christianity.

WartFace · 24/05/2025 19:32

shuggles · 24/05/2025 19:31

@UnreadyEthel I disagree. You have absolutely no idea what else I put my energy into. I don’t have an SUV or an open fire

You cannot disagree, because this is not a matter of opinion or perspective. This is a matter of facts.

40,000 deaths a year are caused by air pollution: www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/idling/

"Poor air quality is the largest environmental risk to public health in the UK, as long-term exposure to air pollution can cause chronic conditions such as cardiovascular and respiratory diseases as well as lung cancer, leading to reduced life expectancy.":

www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-air-pollution/health-matters-air-pollution

Do you believe that praying causes "chronic conditions such as cardiovascular and respiratory diseases as well as lung cancer, leading to reduced life expectancy"? If yes, can you provide those scientific publications please?

Blimey, you’re actually telling someone else what to think???

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:34

CurlewKate · 24/05/2025 19:32

Well, if you didn’t mean Islam, why didn’t you clarify? What religion did you mean when you suggested that asking to alter it’s practice would not go down well?
Yes, I am very interested in religion and its place in society. Please give me an example of my hatred of Christianity.

Again, you are ignorant of other religions. I'm not playing your game.

Parker231 · 24/05/2025 19:38

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:27

Well I guess that depends on where you holiday. Good luck with denigrating host country's seeded beliefs.

We don’t live in the uk and travel to other countries regularly and have no difficulties at all as atheists.

shuggles · 24/05/2025 19:38

@WartFace Blimey, you’re actually telling someone else what to think???

No, I provided facts. You can't argue with facts.

Hitchingmyskirt · 24/05/2025 19:40

UnreadyEthel · 24/05/2025 18:18

@shuggles My life is far from uneventful. My children are important to me, and I would rather religious practices weren’t forced upon them in school. Now that I know it’s happening I have been able to opt them out. I only posted here to gain a better understanding of whether this situation is commonplace. Lots of PPs have been very helpful. I have not acted in the slightest bit aggressively.

When I asked school about opting my children out of prayers, they said that would also opt them out of all the ‘Christian’ activity in school including Christmas and Easter. Nativity plays etc so I’ve left them to it, but we talk about what we believe or don’t believe at home.

WartFace · 24/05/2025 19:41

shuggles · 24/05/2025 19:38

@WartFace Blimey, you’re actually telling someone else what to think???

No, I provided facts. You can't argue with facts.

The fact appears to be that you’re telling someone else what their priorities should be. Would you like that? I mean, I could you ought to focus on being a compassionate human being rather than a supercilious know-all. Not that I’d ever actually say it, you understand.

IzzyHandsIsMySpiritAnimal · 24/05/2025 19:43

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:31

Good luck on teaching them about Halal methods of worshipping and destroying. So easy to drive a tractor through these hypocritical posts.

I object to be called a hypocrite.

I'm not religious.

I have no issue with Halal. It's no worse than any other form of producing food, or limiting what people should/can wear. I'm interested as to why you have picked that particular side of a faith rather than, say, Kosher or buddhist requirements.

theprincessthepea · 24/05/2025 19:55

I find it interesting that the loss of community and rise in poor morals has a positive link to the decline in “religion”.

You don’t have to believe, but a lot of “wellness” practices stem from religion or spirituality anyway.

A short prayer, whether you decide to follow a religion or not, is simply just an act of gratitude. Prayers at school normally thank God - but the rest is usually being grateful for the person that made it, and gratitude for the act of sitting together and enjoying a meal together.

Parker231 · 24/05/2025 19:58

theprincessthepea · 24/05/2025 19:55

I find it interesting that the loss of community and rise in poor morals has a positive link to the decline in “religion”.

You don’t have to believe, but a lot of “wellness” practices stem from religion or spirituality anyway.

A short prayer, whether you decide to follow a religion or not, is simply just an act of gratitude. Prayers at school normally thank God - but the rest is usually being grateful for the person that made it, and gratitude for the act of sitting together and enjoying a meal together.

Why would atheists want to thank a god?

Needmorelego · 24/05/2025 19:58

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 18:37

If only the 'opt out' strategy was available when parents didn't want their children embracing other religious festivals. You have to love how cultural diversity moves.

Parents can opt their children out of a religious event taking place in school.
(not RE lessons - but an event).
At my daughter's primary several parents would opt their children out of Halloween (which usually wasn't anything more that a homemade witches hat competition or a themed disco).
Most of those parents were Christian btw.

shuggles · 24/05/2025 20:28

WartFace · 24/05/2025 19:41

The fact appears to be that you’re telling someone else what their priorities should be. Would you like that? I mean, I could you ought to focus on being a compassionate human being rather than a supercilious know-all. Not that I’d ever actually say it, you understand.

My comments were compassionate. You are categorically wrong in stating otherwise.

CurlewKate · 24/05/2025 20:33

Dangermoo · 24/05/2025 19:34

Again, you are ignorant of other religions. I'm not playing your game.

So, you’re just saying I hate Christianity with no evidence at all. What a fun and intelligent way to discuss things.

Whippetlovely · 24/05/2025 20:59

Yes I don't believe it either, probably another Christianty bashing post they keep popping up on here lately.

UnreadyEthel · 24/05/2025 21:16

shuggles · 24/05/2025 19:31

@UnreadyEthel I disagree. You have absolutely no idea what else I put my energy into. I don’t have an SUV or an open fire

You cannot disagree, because this is not a matter of opinion or perspective. This is a matter of facts.

40,000 deaths a year are caused by air pollution: www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/idling/

"Poor air quality is the largest environmental risk to public health in the UK, as long-term exposure to air pollution can cause chronic conditions such as cardiovascular and respiratory diseases as well as lung cancer, leading to reduced life expectancy.":

www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-air-pollution/health-matters-air-pollution

Do you believe that praying causes "chronic conditions such as cardiovascular and respiratory diseases as well as lung cancer, leading to reduced life expectancy"? If yes, can you provide those scientific publications please?

Air pollution is most certainly an issue.

Forcing religion on unsuspecting children without their parents’ knowledge or consent is a completely different issue with different consequences.

They are not related.

OP posts:
shuggles · 24/05/2025 21:36

@UnreadyEthel Is it a slow day Ethel?

WartFace · 24/05/2025 22:22

shuggles · 24/05/2025 20:28

My comments were compassionate. You are categorically wrong in stating otherwise.

No, your comments were arrogant. You don’t get to dictate others’ priorities I’m afraid.