Question about lethal injection

[Leafy3]

Grim subject, I know, but why is it seemingly so hard for prisons in the states to get it right? It's clearly an unpleasant way to go...Why don't they put the person under a general anaesthetic first?

We euthanise animals quickly & painlessly, why don't they (can't they?) use the same drugs on humans?

I believe that anaesthetic sonehow stops the drugs from working if I remember rightly

theyre contraindicated.

How would you suggest we deal with child rapists and mass killers. Forgive and forget?

I suspect so 🤢

Not presuming. I use feminine pronouns as default.

We put them in prison.

Yes thats why they are crimes. We dont advocate for people to kill and hurt other people.

Why can’t they use a large dose of general anaesthetic ? Quick and painless.

I think there is a shortage of anaesthetists in general…..how many are licensed to give a lethal dose? How many would want to be?

Death or freedom aren't the only two options available 🙄

Whether prison is an adequate punishment for some of these people is another debate entirely though, isn’t it?

Again one I can see both sides of. Loss of liberty is huge, but I can also see that the thought of these people sitting with TV’s, xbox’s etc doesn’t feel punishment enough for some people, plus every person in prison is costing the tax payer money, and because of overcrowding people are being let out earlier and earlier, so as I say, prison is another debate entirely.

Well it wouldn’t make a difference to me if there was a death penalty in the UK. Why do you care so much about my opinion? You seem very invested in what I think, despite already expressing my view.

Would you vote yes? What do you think is the appropriate punishment for raping or killing another person? Do you not think the victims’s family beed empathy?

I don't believe in the death penalty and I wouldn't vote for it. The reason why I ask is because you sound so passionate. The female prison officers who had relationships with these men were rightly convicted to prison.

Can you think of no other options other than killing someone or ignoring their crimes?

Not very imaginative are you

The question asked was what should be done with people who commit the worst crimes. My answer is incarceration. To your specific post-you are mistaken if you think prisoners sit around all day playing on X boxes. Also, I think that it is bad for a society generally to have judicial killing-it diminishes our humanity.

A lot of weird, snarky and damn right mean comments on here. Can’t someone ask a question and people just answer without an argument starting out. Others are going to have a different opinion to you. Opinions aren’t fact.

That’s your answer & your opinion, other people can disagree and believe simply being imprisoned isn’t punishment enough. I absolutely don’t believe prisoners sit around all day playing on X Boxes but I do have, unfortunately, quite a bit of knowledge on the life of prisoners and there is more XBox, TV, gym etc than I imagine a lot of people would be happy with the murderer of their children having.

Could always send them to the UK. They would probably be penalised with Sky Tv and a PlayStation 5 here.

The whole thing is wrong. Allowing a state to kill it's citizens because they meet certain criteria (for example convicted of certain things) is not ok. Yes, that means that some very unpleasant people remain alive but the alternative is very worrying. Wrong convictions aside, all it takes is the boundaries on who deserves to live to shift and people to become desensitized to state sanctioned killing and we have a big problem. So this should remain a firm no all round and the genie should stay trapped in the bottle. Any country that considers itself civilized and modern should be working towards abolishing the death penalty if they have not already done so.

Yes but water boarding or any form of torture actually is illegal.

What would you suggest? Rehabilitation? Help them find god? Give me a break.

Life support can be turned off without family consent only with a court order. The family has every opportunity to oppose an order being made. Judges only give such orders in the most extreme cases, where the patient is either effectively dead already or is inevitably going to die in the near future anyway - as you could ascertain by reading a few of the publicly available judgments, including the ones in the Battersbee case. It isn't murder.

We really didn’t and it’s far from humane.

I referenced the BBC iPlayer podcast earlier. Here is an article:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67150566.amp

”why can’t they use massive amounts of general anaesthetic”.

Because more than 60 global pharmaceutical companies won't allow their drugs to be used in capital punishment and this is now being extended to the use of IV equipment.

I should add, some of them have moved to using ‘local manufacturers’. Few issues with that, 1 is those facilities shouldn’t have a license to actually mix compound drugs and make them available because they’re not FDA approved - so how do you control it and test it?

It’s because doctors aren’t allowed to be involved so the “technicians” get it all wrong.

Also difficulty getting the right drugs because drug companies won’t sell yo
US prisons because they’re in the business of curing, not killing.

I’m against the death penalty on principle (though there’s plenty of child molesting scum that deserve it).

A totally painless lethal injection would be possible if properly administered by a doctor as an overdose of a proper medical grade anaesthetic, but they can’t manage that in the states, which is why it often goes horribly wrong.

Fortunately in the UK we have “life means life” for the worst murder cases, which achieves the same thing.

Because in the states they always botched hanging by strangling people to death so they went for electric chair, gas and injection that were just as bad.

Also hanging is associated with lynching there.

DH was once going through a phase about being interested in post-war UK social history and we watched Vera Drake and Pierrepoint back to back.

Hanging as done in the UK was very quick and instant. There was no last words or climbing steps- just a rope and a trapdoor behind a secret door next to your cell and the length of the rope was calculated according to the weight of the prisoner to break their neck causing instant death.

No ceremony. The whole thing was over in seconds.

Better than the grotesque execution shows that go on in the USA but I still wouldn’t bring it back here.