Question about lethal injection

[Leafy3]

Grim subject, I know, but why is it seemingly so hard for prisons in the states to get it right? It's clearly an unpleasant way to go...Why don't they put the person under a general anaesthetic first?

We euthanise animals quickly & painlessly, why don't they (can't they?) use the same drugs on humans?

Read my posts. That not hard.

someone's mum is executed then how will that child then navigate a normal childhood into adulthood? How will that child fare in life?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ellis#Family_aftermath

Ellis's son Andy, who was aged 10 at the time of his mother's execution, took his own life, in a bedsit in 1982, shortly after desecrating her grave.[40] The trial judge, Sir Cecil Havers, had sent money every year for Andy's upkeep, and Christmas Humphreys, the prosecution counsel at Ellis's trial, paid for his funeral.[10] Her daughter Georgina, who was aged 3 when her mother was executed, was fostered when her father killed himself three years later. She appeared on the television discussion programme After Dark and died of cancer in 2001 at age 50.

This is a serious topic learn how to debate better with clear arguments.

This is the problem with the death penalty- for me anyway.

There are only very specific cases where I could feel okay with it, and that would be where there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that there has been any confusion, miscommunication, anything whatsoever that means the wrong person is on trial. An example being the Southport killer, there is not a single shred of doubt that he did it, he was witnessed by multiple people, showed no remorse whatsoever, I wouldn’t lose a single wink of sleep if this was how he was dealt with tomorrow. But I can’t agree with it being a widely used punishment in anything other than cases like that where we really do have absolute certainty, “beyond reasonable doubt” would not be sure enough.

lots of people from the victim’s family may also have SEN, LD why does that matter?

I honestly couldn’t care less about the killer’s family. If they do something so evil where they kill another person, then they should have thought about their family before they murdered or raped someone. Tough tits.

The killing of an innocent prisoner is a different conversation. I’m taking about prisoners who have admitted to their crime and there is evidence.

😂😂😂😂 I don’t need to learn how to debate. This is my opinion. I’ve already give my reasons. Didn’t realise you were the one that was making the rules on this forum.

So blasé….Of course the families matter.

It’s that your new word. Blasé? Good for you for using it more. That is my opinion. Why do I have to debate that? You can’t control what others have an opinion, you might disagree but it’s their opinion. Really, how hard is that to understand?

Yes love…and I have my opinion too.

is that so hard for YOU to understand?

You're getting upitty with other posters "Read my posts. That not hard." Then you told me you was off. If you wish not to communicate and explain further that's up to you. I however don't really want to engage in that sort of argument. I want it to at least sound coherent and understandable.

I agree.

I’m not really on either side here, but if the families matter so much- and I don’t disagree that any death has a huge impact on a family, do you not consider that the victim also has a family gravely impacted by the actions of these people?

Take the Southport killer as an example, those children all had families. In that instance do I really care about how the family of the killer feels- truly, not a single fuck.

@BeJollyEagle there was a list posted a little way back of people who were the victim of miscarriages of justice. There was evidence in those cases. In some, there were confessions - Stefan Kiszko had learning difficulties and was coerced into confession by the police who were looking for an easy win.

You've been given the data: 20 innocent people executed since 1992, with a further 200 exonerated whilst on death row. 220 people - and that is just in the US.

If you are OK with that, you must have something wrong with you.

The killing of an innocent prisoner is a different conversation. I’m taking about prisoners who have admitted to their crime and there is evidence.

Oh. Like Timothy Evans then.

You should have said !

There a podcast on BBC iPlayer called ‘killing death row’ all about the issues of sourcing the drugs for lethal injection. Some interesting discussion where prison governors (if that’s what they’re called) were basically doing drug deals to get supply. The irony….

Good listen.

That really is an incredibly offensive thing to say….

"But DNA"

That's ok then.

I never said anything about your opinion did I? I was taking about what I think 😂

To killers maybe and the stupid women who are infatuated with them, yeah it probably is.

I’m pointing out the obvious to you as you seem a little hard of thinking.

Did I say I was okay with that? Where did I post about having a problem with people who were innocent and were killed on death row?

Apologies, I can't recall the PP's name, but if you read back on this thread they mention the fact that 'confession is the weakest form of evidence'.

The statistics on those on US death row show an overwhelming number of a) people of colour b) people with intellectual disabilities / SEN and c) people with a significantly lower than average level of intelligence.

With that in mind and given the American police's historical record of treatment of people - especially people of colour - would you really hold any 'confession' up as an absolutely blind statement of truth?

I’m not uppity. I have expressed my opinion but apparently my reasons were not enough and was told to learn how to debate because again my reasons were not apparently valid. I honestly don’t care if you all love killers and feel sorry for them and their family and want to marry them. Do it. It really doesn’t affect my life. But I stand by what I said.

@AffIt yes then there’s that. So much mental illness in prisons I feel many would ‘confess’ hoping for an end to their existence