To think it’s actually really unfair to be charged for bank holidays at nursery?

[bouncinround]

And no, I’m not going to complain about it because I don’t want anyone to think I begrudge the staff a day off. I don’t. But I do resent paying for a service I’m not receiving.

So you see it as them being crap at maths and planning their reserves, and that being okay. I guess it’s a position, just not one that in anyway considers the question in the OP.

OP would be paying less overall as children who are not normally in on Mondays would be covering some of the holiday pay, not just the parents whose children attend on the Monday.

All ignoring the fact that when all children get 30 hours funding you can't just put up rates and bank holidays are not paid by funding but staff must be paid. When funding is short paid anyway and top up charges not allowed.

You're going around in circles here.

All of what you said is fine however the fees shouldn't be the sole responsibility on the Monday parents. It should be split evenly between all parents and this can be easily justified in their fees for all children.

Right now the Monday children receive 8 days less than the rest however are still expected to pay the same as those that receive 8 more days. This is why the op is annoyed.

@Crunchymum i answered it already on the first fucking page!

I like my children’s nursery @jannier but if you’re trying to get me to see them as some sort of poor, repressed organisation on the brink of collapse due to government interference - they’re not!

No need to be so bloody rude.

And no, I don’t get paid if I don’t go to work

This doesn't really clarify to me if you work BH or not?

The “who pays for staff” argument is bogus. No other business deals with it this way, why do nurseries get away with it?

When my daughter was in nursery, the daily fee included lunch, nappies, snacks etc. When a nursery is closed, the daily running cost is reduced. But if I happened to have my child in on a Monday, I have to pay full price for a day I’m not using? That is absurd.

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It’s not ignoring it, it’s pointing out it’s an crappy excuse not a reason for having treated parents like this as it was done this way long before the funding issue existed.

How many years are you going back? Providers have been subsidising funded children for 15 years or so with 3 and 4 year olds the extended ages and hours have just escalated the problem so we now have record numbers of settings shutting down.

Unfortunately wages, insurances, rents and taxes still need paying the food, craft and nappies are a small amount per day in overall costs.
Not all bank holidays are a Monday as Christmas moves and we have good Friday so this year it's 4. Take off funded hours and your paying for around 4 x non funded daily hours. The nursery doesn't get paid funding on bank holidays so you don't lose the funded hours.

That's just utter nonsense and you know it.

You're trying anything you possibly can to try and prove people wrong here and it's all just dribble. You completely made those figures up there and you know it. I'm also a Monday parent and I know for a FACT that your numbers are not true. As does every other Monday parent that's commenting here.

You're just here for a fight and no amount of carefully explaining the (correct) details to you will make you see otherwise.

Summarising Jannier’s argument.

Nurseries have been treated badly by the government, so accept whatever relating to fees. This is your responsibility as a parent.

I don't get why they don't just open on bank holidays. Lots of us work bank holidays. Just give the staff 28 days annual leave to take at their discretion. If your child is in nursery on Mondays and you choose to keep them home on BH then you should still pay. But they should be open. Very annoying for people who work BH which many many many people do.

YANBU OP. Our nursery changed from the way yours does it to splitting the cost evenly, once they realised how unfair it is on those who use childcare on Mondays. No drama or arguments, they just increased the hourly/daily rate slightly and explained why.

@jannier It was certainly happening at the turn of the century.

Of course it’s unfair. Staff are paid for bank holidays. The charge for bank holidays should be covered by all clients not just those who have dc in on those days.

the fees should be calculated for the number of days the nursery is providing you with a service that term.
on bank hols they aren’t providing anyone with a service.

Then the costs for bank holidays should be calculated and divided across all customers by including the cost in the daily rate so it is paid for by all clients.

So your using one of the big chains then? Nursery closure rates are going up each year with an increase of 50% last academic year. More than half are saying they are struggling this coming year will really show an increase as more funding is rolled out.....I guess the next step is put babies in school with higher ratios too.

I don’t know if you are speaking to me or someone else Jannier.

I have already said on here we use a small chain. They have around four local nurseries and are opening another this year. Locally, two independent nurseries have opened as well.

My understanding is the government give a certain amount of money which doesn’t cover the child’s place plus profit, so nurseries top it up. I have two children who attend three days a week. I pay £400 for Dc1 who has thirty funded and £700 for dc2 who has fifteen.

Do they deserve it? Yes, probably. They both get a high level of care, the facilities are outstanding, the food excellent and the activities stimulating and entertaining.

That doesn’t mean as a parent who uses the nursery on a Monday I should pay more than a parent who uses it on a Thursday.

Exactly

I agree it's unfair when your child always goes on a Monday. Actually as a carer, bank holidays are just another day and I don't usually get enhanced pay. I also think nurseries don't accommodate parents with shifts etc.

Your assuming Good Friday Christmas day, boxing day and new years day are Mondays.
Assuming stretched funding is 4.5 hours a day and you pay 4.5 hours that's about 18 hours of fees a year others are not paying. So not much more than an hour a month. Yet paying it helps keep your nursery open.

Your assuming Good Friday Christmas day, boxing day and new years day are Mondays.
Assuming stretched funding is 4.5 hours a day and you pay 4.5 hours that's about 18 hours of fees a year others are not paying. So not much more than an hour a month. Yet paying it helps keep your nursery open.

Well, for Good Friday and Easter Monday there’s a big clue in the name.

It is true that Christmas and Boxing Day fall on different days, but most nurseries (ime) close for a full week at Christmas. It’s true that depending on when the days fall there may be a small number of children who are off for longer than a week, but that doesn’t change the fact that irrespective of Christmas, there is Easter Monday, early spring bank holiday, late spring bank holiday and the one in August. So four full days. At £80 a pop; £160 for two children.

I have just depressed myself!

Sorry my posts are going funny.