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To feel parents should not move their crying child round the cabin to disturb everyone?

277 replies

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 14:23

I have just flown business on a 9 hour flight, with the intention of getting sleep before arriving.

I purposely chose seats away from the bassinets and towards the back of the cabin as I thought this would be quieter. As it was near the emergency exit; all this actually meant was that every parent with a crying baby or child took them to this area, so I actually got precisely zero sleep! Each seat has its own doors but those standing can look directly down into it so I had a stream of parents with children not only standing by my bed whilst I’m trying to sleep, but also looking down into my sleeping area which I find extremely intrusive.

I am not suggesting those with children shouldn’t fly business, just that they should be more considerate to those seated away from the bassinet seats.

AIBU to feel that parents should just stay in their seat with their child who is crying, sometimes a baby, sometimes a toddler, rather than spread the misery to absolutely everyone in the cabin, rather than those unlucky enough to be sitting near them on takeoff.

When the crying child is taken to stand next to my seat, would I be unreasonable to ask them to move as it’s disturbing me?

OP posts:
Spirallingdownwards · 20/05/2025 19:17

Digdongdoo · 20/05/2025 17:20

It's a plane. You can't stand anywhere without "standing over" someone.

She could of course stand over her own empty seat though.

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 19:18

Velmy · 20/05/2025 19:12

If you can afford to fly business you can afford better headphones if silence is so important to you. B&O H95's will set you back 850 quid and block out absolutely everything.

I’ve got the beoplay noise cancelling in ear headphones as can’t lie properly with the over head ones.

Drugs is the answer next time

OP posts:
Spirallingdownwards · 20/05/2025 19:20

Delphinium20 · 20/05/2025 18:41

I fly a good amount, not so frequently that it would weekly disrupt my sleep, so caveat for people who fly weekly or more (that's another convo one should invest in sleep medication to get through it).

However, I have learned that flying is generally miserable and I assume I won't sleep, rest, get quality work done while in the air. So, I either have a small, easy job to work on from my laptop, read a book, knit or I binge some show. If it's on the way home, I'm more likely to have a drink and binge movies. I have given up on trying to sleep on planes for the last 20 years.

It's your expectations, OP, that made me click YABU. I'm sure it was frustrating af to deal with that when you were tying to sleep, but trying to sleep w/out earplugs or meds was your mistake. Babies aren't being bad, parents walking them are trying their best to lessen their cries.

I don't think she has an issue with parents walking them - just those that choose to stand over her seat when if they are choosing to stand still they could just do this over their own empty seat.

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 19:21

Spirallingdownwards · 20/05/2025 19:20

I don't think she has an issue with parents walking them - just those that choose to stand over her seat when if they are choosing to stand still they could just do this over their own empty seat.

💯this

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Wishboneswishes · 20/05/2025 19:24

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 14:31

Can I ask if you think it would be unreasonable if I then stood up, moved to a standing area near to that persons bed and had a conversation with my partner next to them whilst they or their child were obviously trying to sleep (had the bed fully reckoned with a mask and duvet over them) - if that would be unreasonable?

No I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Flying is a nightmare and personal space goes out the window! I think everyone does what they can to get through it like you were trying to sleep. I get it was annoying of course, but I don’t think the parent was being unreasonable. It’s just unfortunate but pretty standard really. But it’s just my opinion.

Didimum · 20/05/2025 19:28

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 19:03

No as long as it works both ways - I can make loud phone calls on the free wifi whilst standing near someone else’s seat, then that’s fine 👍

Again, if you’re making too much of a disturbance, the airline staff can tell you to stop – because you’re an adult who can control their behaviour, which a child can’t. Nor can a parent always control the behaviour of their child.

phoenixrosehere · 20/05/2025 19:42

Madcatdudette · 20/05/2025 18:59

Ah I’m showing my ignorance of business class that’s all. It’s just something I’d never thought about before and yes, I was massively surprised by it.
I know people who’ve flown business class but that was for business purposes and I was always more interested in what food they ate. 🤷‍♀️
My post wasn’t meant as a criticism of anyone who flies whatever class they are able to. Just showing my sheer lack of knowledge about it.

My post wasn’t meant as a criticism of anyone who flies whatever class they are able to. Just showing my sheer lack of knowledge about it.

I didn’t take it as one. 🙂

phoenixrosehere · 20/05/2025 19:51

zenas · 20/05/2025 19:04

I'd pay a chunk for a seat on an adult only plane, that'd suit me (and many others too I suspect) right down to the ground. I already choose adult only hotels where that's possible, and travel outside the school holidays every time.

I've done my stint with babies and kids, I just want adults now - preferably sober quiet ones.😊

I wouldn’t mind adult- only but I don’t think it would be as amazing as some want to believe.

Babies and young children don’t know better but many adults definitely do and choose not to be considerate and/or polite.

I see it plenty of times on public transport like the bus, train and metro/tube, so why expect them to be better on a plane? At least with the first three you can move or get off, not really on a plane.

GreenCandleWax · 20/05/2025 19:56

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 14:28

I think if I have chosen the seat (and paid £150 extra for the privilege of choosing it!) away from the bassinets, then I clearly haven’t chosen to sit next to a baby

What did the cabin crew say when you pointed this out? They usuallly discourage people from standing around out of their seats anyway.

olympicsrock · 20/05/2025 19:57

Readytohealnow · 20/05/2025 15:22

I am not suggesting those with children shouldn’t fly business.

I am.

and yes I am a parent

I agree

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 20:12

Didimum · 20/05/2025 19:28

Again, if you’re making too much of a disturbance, the airline staff can tell you to stop – because you’re an adult who can control their behaviour, which a child can’t. Nor can a parent always control the behaviour of their child.

But they can insure that children only fly for serious reasons like medical care. Otherwise do driving holidays until they can control themselves. Don’t ruin it for everyone else.

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 20:13

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 19:07

I doubt that very much. More totally fucking inconsiderate and only considering his own and sleeping wife’s comfort rather than anyone else also having paid the thousands to lie down in business.

As usual with entitled, self-centered parents.

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 20:16

Femalefootyfan · 20/05/2025 18:42

Impossible when you live overseas and you want to go home, with your children to visit family.

I’ve taken my (now fully grown adults) in business class, which was paid for by my DH’s employer at the time, home to visit family and I’m sure they weren’t perfectly behaved on our long haul flights, as much as I, often travelling alone with two under 4’s, tried hard to cope.

That said, I kind of agree with OP, it’s one thing to understand that trying to get a crying baby to settle can be so hard, hovering over someone in BC, during a night flight, who is trying to sleep is not really appropriate.

We fly BC on long haul, paid for with our own money but we always check out seat guru when choosing our seats to try to minimise any disruption. Not always possible and good headphones are a must.

Edited

“Want” is not a good enough reason.

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 20:19

CantStopMoving · 20/05/2025 18:17

You are in a tiny box in the sky - there is honestly not much a parent can do if their baby cries - they can’t exactly take it outside and there isn’t really anywhere away from people.

last year I flew 11 hours in business class and a baby screamed the entire journey from take off to landing. I didn’t get a wink of sleep. I was so groggy by the time I got home. But ultimately what could they do? I am sure the mum was stressed about it but it’s the luck of the draw.

They could have stayed home.

Dstoat · 20/05/2025 20:40

They’re not trying to move away from their own partner. They’re usual walk the isles then stand where there is more room so as not to block the isle. Honestly, they’re having a worse flight than you. If they didn’t stand up and try and soothe the baby people would be complaining about it even louder. You don’t have a right sleep on an airplane with hundreds of other people. It’s absurd to think you do.

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 20:49

Dstoat · 20/05/2025 20:40

They’re not trying to move away from their own partner. They’re usual walk the isles then stand where there is more room so as not to block the isle. Honestly, they’re having a worse flight than you. If they didn’t stand up and try and soothe the baby people would be complaining about it even louder. You don’t have a right sleep on an airplane with hundreds of other people. It’s absurd to think you do.

🙄🙄🙄

so you’re actually trying to argue that the quiet non-offensive person using their lie-flat BC bed as intended is somehow in the wrong, but the inconsiderate clods who bring aboard a loud screaming nuisance, and parade it around the cabin, are A-OK??

Jesus Christ.

Digdongdoo · 20/05/2025 20:50

Dstoat · 20/05/2025 20:40

They’re not trying to move away from their own partner. They’re usual walk the isles then stand where there is more room so as not to block the isle. Honestly, they’re having a worse flight than you. If they didn’t stand up and try and soothe the baby people would be complaining about it even louder. You don’t have a right sleep on an airplane with hundreds of other people. It’s absurd to think you do.

Wrong. They were bringing their babies and sending their creepy husband to watch OP try to sleep. Silly.

TumbledTussocks · 20/05/2025 20:50

Tiredannoyedflyer · 20/05/2025 14:28

I think if I have chosen the seat (and paid £150 extra for the privilege of choosing it!) away from the bassinets, then I clearly haven’t chosen to sit next to a baby

Bassinets are only for small babies though. I watched cabin crew insist on a parent taking their sleeping baby out as it was deemed too large for the bassinet. The baby, as you would imagine was not very happy, neither were any of the passengers.

Femalefootyfan · 20/05/2025 21:05

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 20:16

“Want” is not a good enough reason.

It is when your family haven’t seen your growing kids for a year or more and they can’t afford to fly out to where you’re living. This was pre internet and FaceTime days so no other choice but to fly home to try to keep family relationships.

TheignT · 20/05/2025 21:17

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 20:19

They could have stayed home.

So could anyone travelling for holidays or to visit family. Might be essential for business or health care not available in home country.

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 21:22

TheignT · 20/05/2025 21:17

So could anyone travelling for holidays or to visit family. Might be essential for business or health care not available in home country.

But “anyone” isn’t screaming the cabin down and ruining a luxury experience for everyone else. Only the inconsiderate parents who showed poor judgment bringing the child aboard.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 20/05/2025 21:26

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 21:22

But “anyone” isn’t screaming the cabin down and ruining a luxury experience for everyone else. Only the inconsiderate parents who showed poor judgment bringing the child aboard.

Bore off. If anyone has beef with babies crying on planes regardless of seating then they can take it up with the airline.

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 21:35

Femalefootyfan · 20/05/2025 21:05

It is when your family haven’t seen your growing kids for a year or more and they can’t afford to fly out to where you’re living. This was pre internet and FaceTime days so no other choice but to fly home to try to keep family relationships.

Nope. Not a good enough reason to screw over everyone else.

If one chooses to live distant from family, suck it up until the kids can behave quietly.

Digdongdoo · 20/05/2025 21:35

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 21:35

Nope. Not a good enough reason to screw over everyone else.

If one chooses to live distant from family, suck it up until the kids can behave quietly.

You want child free flights, ask the airlines or buy your own plane. Otherwise, deal with it.

TheHerboriste · 20/05/2025 21:38

Digdongdoo · 20/05/2025 21:35

You want child free flights, ask the airlines or buy your own plane. Otherwise, deal with it.

We’re used to it. And the parents should be aware that everyone thinks they are selfish, inconsiderate arseholes.