To feel parents should not move their crying child round the cabin to disturb everyone?

[Tiredannoyedflyer]

I have just flown business on a 9 hour flight, with the intention of getting sleep before arriving.

I purposely chose seats away from the bassinets and towards the back of the cabin as I thought this would be quieter. As it was near the emergency exit; all this actually meant was that every parent with a crying baby or child took them to this area, so I actually got precisely zero sleep! Each seat has its own doors but those standing can look directly down into it so I had a stream of parents with children not only standing by my bed whilst I’m trying to sleep, but also looking down into my sleeping area which I find extremely intrusive.

I am not suggesting those with children shouldn’t fly business, just that they should be more considerate to those seated away from the bassinet seats.

AIBU to feel that parents should just stay in their seat with their child who is crying, sometimes a baby, sometimes a toddler, rather than spread the misery to absolutely everyone in the cabin, rather than those unlucky enough to be sitting near them on takeoff.

When the crying child is taken to stand next to my seat, would I be unreasonable to ask them to move as it’s disturbing me?

There's a few specific posters that have form for hating children and dressing their words up all fluffy so it's socially acceptable to say the things they do.

Always see children as an inconvenience, they should be seen and not heard, inconsiderate of them to frankly exist etc etc

I chose not to take mine on a plane till they were a little older and able to understand what was happening. Little kids struggle to sit still for long periods and it’s not fair to force them to stay in one place for hours and hours.

We started short haul daytime flights when they would understand the rules and our overseas family travelled to us during this period.

I hate flying personally, especially long haul. We had a screaming baby overnight coming back from California last year and it triggered something very weird with my menopause where I ended up flooding the seat. Not sure if this was due to the stress of this baby hollering all night (and it was hell for the parents and their older toddler who got no sleep either) or whether my ovaries decided “f*ck that” and pushed whatever lining was left in my uterus out in defence but it was an absolutely hellish night for everyone in that plane…and then we had to drive home.

Sorry you had that experience!

Thank you for being a considerate parent.

Maybe menopausal women shouldn’t fly?

It would’ve been the crying baby not the air pressure of course…

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Some people don't half come up with some daft explanations for things.

It’s almost like they want it to be the child’s fault……

Of course it's the baby's fault or failing that bad mother.

It's absolutely not just one of those things or just a symptom of flying.

Of course a baby would never cry because of air pressure either....

it does depend on the destination and length of flight but many routes you have to fly overnight for the 11-13 hour trips.

they do give you earplugs if you really can’t stand the baby crying! I always take my own noise cancelling headphones these days- work a treat!

Thank goodness it wasn’t a crying baby in Waitrose that caused her to flood……. Catastrophic that would’ve been!

I have never flooded before or since @TooGoodToGotoso I suspect the stress hormone cortisol was more likely to have been the culprit.

Waitrose is not as stressful as a clearly very distressed baby screaming for 11 hours but at least I wouldn’t have had to sit soaked in my own blood for any great length of time if something so upsetting happened there. I suspect you mentioned Waitrose as a sneer, not Tesco. No?

It’s hard being called out on your own selfish behaviour and understanding the impact it can have on others. Even harder when you realise the detrimental impact your choices have on your own children. Now you may well be selfish enough to happily put your own needs before strangers, but it’s a bitter pull to realise that what you do may not be best for your kids isn’t it?

The trauma of being on a plane as a child, going off on lovely holidays and having a lovely time once you get there.

I'm sure they'll bring it up with their therapist when they're older.

Some people are so dramatic 😂

Yes, babies and toddlers will carry those lovely holidays with them all their lives won’t they?

Like when they met Mickey Mouse while still in nappies. Such happy memories that last forever, no?

Or are babies and toddlers taken on holidays to serve only their parent’s wants? Hmm, tough one eh? 🤨

Get a grip.

Maybe like fastening seat belts? That's quite a useful one to hear. Babies crying in cabins I get, but someone standing over me with their crying baby - no. And headphones and ear plugs a) don't stop the noise and b) can be very uncomfortable. Just be a bit considerate.

Yes my children often say to me (they’re 30 and 32), you were so selfish taking us on holiday. I have paid for their therapy though, does that make me less selfish? They’ve called me out many a time over the wonderful trips we had, no happy memories whatsoever!

Did you do a Daily Mail sad face interview? You know the trauma of the baby crying making you flood. I need some compo?

Drama …

No @TooGoodToGotobut I was certainly in the majority of disturbed passengers judging the selfish choice of the parents with the screaming baby. There are plenty of daytime flights to take young children on which are better for everyone concerned, and certainly better for the babies and toddlers getting their sleep patterns disrupted whilst trapped in close proximity to strangers in a confined, claustrophobic space.

You can write off what I’m saying all you like. Accuse me of being a Waitrose shopper, a Daily Mail reader or whatever else (Tory, Brexiteer, Karen etc.) makes avoiding hearing the truth easier for you.

I get why you need to be right here, it’s quite a shock to realise that your actions may have been selfish and damaging to others, and takes time to process.

You usually find it’s One parent walking away from where the other parents he’s trying to get some sleep I won’t comment on which sex is usually doing what because it does vary. Occasionally

I think the term Karen is deeply misogynistic, but you clearly think it’s ok?

Oh look, something we agree on @TooGoodToGoto.

Nice attempt at deflection though. Didn’t call being accused of being a bad feminist! What’s next on avoiding providing a reasoned argument for your viewpoint by trying to discredit those with a different opinion? Can’t wait 🧐

I’m not deflecting anything, Karen is not part of my vocabulary, in that respect. Shane on you to even consider using it.

Ive given my viewpoint, I don’t think the crying baby made menopausal you flood, I’m no medical expert, but clearly neither are you.

Reasons to fly with a child, I’ve already covered that.

But at the end of the day, you can moan, grown, say it’s not right, protest you’re a better parent blah blah.

But it’s still going to stop nothing, best you accept that?

Reason it’s not going to stop…… because it’s unreasonable to expect it too 🤷‍♀️.

I have to laugh at your thinking you’re a better parent than others that travel with children. Very funny 🤣

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You see I genuinely considered you’d go there @TooGoodToGotoWhich just goes to show that even people who refuse to admit that they could have made choices that didn’t inconvenience others have their good points. I rail against the use of “Karen” as an insult for exactly the same reasons you do. I’ll admit I was wrong to think you were that type of person if it’s genuinely not deflection on your part. Go on, you try now. Perhaps taking my babies and toddlers on a night flight wasn’t best for them or the other passengers kept awake by their crying. Can you say it out loud? If not, maybe consider it instead, practice employing some empathy? What’s the worst that can happen eh?

We took our 4mo baby long haul business class.

Yes, she cried for a short while. DH took her to the bit between cabins where you can get snacks etc, as per air stewards suggestion.

I would aim for mid-cabin in future - you'll get people milling about either end.

Please please give me the model of headphones, I need to get new ones.