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FIL teasing daughter - don’t want to chaperone this anymore!

125 replies

MamaW05 · 20/05/2025 12:03

I have known my FIL over twenty years. He’s a socially awkward man and in the time I’ve known him has barely managed more than a hi and bye to me. I thought it might be me but since having kids friends have met him at parties etc and independently made the same comments. All fine, we’ve rubbed along fine as needed and in his own way welcomed me into the family.

I have a 4 year old child and in the last year or so I (or we, my partner feels the same!) have found it increasingly hard to deal with his behaviour around her. Whilst he can play nicely with her, brings her stickers etc, he will tease her to the point that she is upset or angry, carry on a bit more, then tell her off (he’s told her to shut up before) or tease her for being upset. She can be sobbing saying ‘stop it’at this point. My husband and I now watch like hawks and are having to step in each time - husband will not have an overall chat with FIL about his behaviour as he says he won’t get it, it’s just who he is, he’ll say it’s just a joke etc.

We had agreed my husband would be around for all visits my FIL is there to nip it in the bud. I have a baby and cannot be there all the time and I’m not willing to leave my elder daughter to be teased by herself. However recently when I thought it was only MIL free she asked to bring FIL as plans had changed so I said yes trying to be gracious. On this visit FIL told my daughter to tease him for his grey hairs, encouraging her to find more and keep going. He then suddenly turned round and retorted ‘well you’ve got ginger in YOUR hair’. She is 4. Luckily she has no idea this was intended as an insult but I’m fuming that this man is so thoughtless and could have set her up with an insecurity when she is currently so confident.

I’m now doubling down on my husband needing to be there for visits, I’m simply not prepared to be the chaperone for his bad behaviour anymore and I am unable to be there all the time whilst caring for the youngest too. I also have very precious little time with my daughters before going back to work, why should we all cop it because a grown man can’t check himself. However as I’m on maternity leave it’s going to very obvious their visits have become minimal and I feel sorry for his mum who looked after our daughter a lot before she went to school and I feel is owed an explanation.

So…
YABU - you and your daughter just need to put up with this behaviour and call him out. You should host them even without DH around. No family is perfect. Use any inappropriate comments as life lessons for your daughter.

YANBU - it’s unacceptable behaviour towards a 4 year old and you shouldn’t have to be the one to manage it or risk your daughter being hurt if you are not able to be in the room the whole time. Have the FIL visit only when husband is also available.

and if YANBU do we just say something? I feel like his mum is owed an explanation for the scarce visits. But I don’t believe this man has the capacity to understand or change so is there no point rocking the boat and we just manage visits accordingly??? I’d have a chat with his mum but I actually think she’d be quite offended and defensive about it all because there is no harm intended…but regardless of intent, I have a sobbing daughter almost every time.

OP posts:
EggnogNoggin · 20/05/2025 12:50

It can't be chaperoned because that approach relies on an incident happening before FIL being told off.

Standing up for DD doesn't stop her hearing the comment.

DH should talk to his dad but you can too. Who cares if FIL feels unhappy afterwards?

BellissimoGecko · 20/05/2025 12:51

Talk to him!! That has to be your first step.

unless he has learning difficulties, he will know what he’s doing.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 20/05/2025 12:51

Calmdownpeople · 20/05/2025 12:49

Here’s the thing I struggle with. If this was a child acting like this there would be every excuse under the sun including allowing for tolerance because he sounds possibly ND.

If this was an ND child it would be ‘fine’. If FIL is ND shouldn’t that logic also apply?

Would it, though? Wouldn't people be saying that the parents should be explaining, in an appropriate manner for the child's age and needs, that it is not nice to tease our friends, and that if we do, they may stop being our friends?

ButteryLightHouse · 20/05/2025 12:53

In your shoes I would insist DH (by himself ideally) or the pair of you sat down for a conversation with his mother and father to make sure they were clear that this needs to stop. Either FIL needs to control himself, or if he lacks the ability to, MIL needs to control his behaviour. If it doesn't stop then I would explain that I would no longer allow FIL to see my children. Your children's wellbeing is more important than an adults hurt feelings.

DH had a similar conversation with his dad about his and his wife's bullying towards DD. They couldn't accept they needed to change; we haven't seen them in 10 years. DD is very happy and confident

coxesorangepippin · 20/05/2025 12:54

I do think this is a uniquely British trait, which should be outdated by now but a few of the old folks seem to keep it going

Just ask him, what does it serve to be like this?? Why tease her? What result does he expect?

Katemax82 · 20/05/2025 12:54

My late fil was a prick..he wasn't happy unless he was upsetting one of my kids, normally my daughter. I'm relieved he's no longer with us ( yes I used to bollock him but he would just laugh)

Mrsbloggz · 20/05/2025 12:55

If he did that to my child I'd be doing it back to him, and then some 😈

coxesorangepippin · 20/05/2025 12:55

Calmdownpeople · 20/05/2025 12:49

Here’s the thing I struggle with. If this was a child acting like this there would be every excuse under the sun including allowing for tolerance because he sounds possibly ND.

If this was an ND child it would be ‘fine’. If FIL is ND shouldn’t that logic also apply?

Because FIL/adults should know better???

The dd is four??!

Blackdow · 20/05/2025 12:57

You have a voice of your own. Use it.

Brefugee · 20/05/2025 13:01

Your DH is basically saying "boys will be boys" and won't speak to him?

Then you speak to him -- what harm is it going to cause?

And then if it happens, very loudly "FIL stop that, it is bullying". Every time.

ButteryLightHouse · 20/05/2025 13:01

If you continue to see him and he continues to act in this way, leave immediately every time.
If they're at your house, tell them it's time for them to leave.

If you continue to expose your daughter to this bully, then you have to show her that it's in no way acceptable and that you will protect her somehow.

FeatherDawn · 20/05/2025 13:01

This isn't teasing, it's reactive abuse
He knows exactly what he is doing
Push boundaries until she reacts emotionally

Shitty little man

ButteryLightHouse · 20/05/2025 13:05

Calmdownpeople · 20/05/2025 12:49

Here’s the thing I struggle with. If this was a child acting like this there would be every excuse under the sun including allowing for tolerance because he sounds possibly ND.

If this was an ND child it would be ‘fine’. If FIL is ND shouldn’t that logic also apply?

I don't care how a person's brain is wired, it doesn't matter if they have ASD, ADHD, PDA, or anything else. No one of any age, under any circumstances is allowed to, or enabled to, bully my child.

Calmdownpeople · 20/05/2025 13:07

ButteryLightHouse · 20/05/2025 13:05

I don't care how a person's brain is wired, it doesn't matter if they have ASD, ADHD, PDA, or anything else. No one of any age, under any circumstances is allowed to, or enabled to, bully my child.

I totally agree with you. Totally. But it’s the response from others I’m struggling with. Fine for a kid with ND but not for a man. Hypocrisy. And think of the roasting of this was an ND child.

rainbowstardrops · 20/05/2025 13:09

Why aren’t you/DH/MIL saying something to him at the time? Surely one of you is either in the same room or in close proximity?
Just communicate!

HiRen · 20/05/2025 13:09

This kind of teasing is actually bullying with a smile. The retort of "I'm just joking" is the typical response to being called out. He knows he's picking on her.

Treat him as you would if he were gloves-off bullying her.

It's really no different.

ButteryLightHouse · 20/05/2025 13:18

Calmdownpeople · 20/05/2025 13:07

I totally agree with you. Totally. But it’s the response from others I’m struggling with. Fine for a kid with ND but not for a man. Hypocrisy. And think of the roasting of this was an ND child.

You can have compassion and empathy for the social struggles of a ND adult/child, for example, but that doesn't mean you have to be a doormat for those social difficulties.

If it was a ND child bullying my DD, I'd do my best to ensure they were separated in school and I'd not encourage their friendship. I have absolutely no problem with this. If other parents want to roast me, go ahead. A ND person's needs do not trump my child's needs. If other parents would allow the ND child to continue bullying their child, they are negligent.

BusyMum47 · 20/05/2025 13:27

Daisyvodka · 20/05/2025 12:12

This is a very short conversation, with FIL, in the moment.
'Hey, I've don't know if you realise, but she's getting upset and angry when you tease her and doesn't like it. I'm worried that she isn't going to want to spend any time with you if you continue.'
If he does 'it's just a joke'
'And that would be fine if she found it funny and was enjoying it, but she's not, it's upsetting her, so you can just make jokes that don't involve teasing! She loves silly jokes about (insert interest of choice here) and i know she'd love to see that from you'

And then if he keeps doing it:
'FIL, you are upsetting her, maybe change to playing with xx'
If he keeps at it:
'She doesn't like it! I find it really weird that you want to keep doing something to your grandchildren that you know upsets her, so just stop? I don't understand why you are finding this so hard, you are making a small child cry because you think she should find something funny'

This!! And in front of MIL so she's fully aware!! ⬆️

outerspacepotato · 20/05/2025 13:34

Since when do ND adults go out of their way to torment a 4 year old to watch her get angry and upset? I don't buy that and even if, don't care.

He's a hateful, sadistic guy who enjoys tormenting OP's young child until she is sobbing.

"Yo, FIL, I have had it with you bullying my daughter for the last year. It stops here and now. You treat her with respect or that is it. This ends now."

If he tries it again, you whoosh her out and that is it. You and your daughter do not see him. Your daughter won't be missing anything good.

Mrsbloggz · 20/05/2025 13:40

BusyMum47 · 20/05/2025 13:27

This!! And in front of MIL so she's fully aware!! ⬆️

Don't mess about with all that s*
Upset my little girl and you're up against the wall by your throat mate

Funnyduck60 · 20/05/2025 13:43

Well FIL is wrong and should learn to read the room so to speak. However, the world is a place where we don't always get what we want and it may well help toughen up DD. It is almost impossible to change the behaviour of others so encourage DD to ignore him. School will be full of daft boys.

SingtotheCat · 20/05/2025 13:55

Stop that now Brian or we’ll all go home/ you’ll leave!
No, it’s not a joke. You’re upsetting my daughter. Be quiet or you’ll go.

Do it.

shoofly · 20/05/2025 13:55

When I was a child my Uncle used to tickle us until we were crying in pain. Noone ever stopped him, "it was just a joke"

I have 2 sons and when they were small I realised that my lovely cousin was doing the same thing to my son as his Dad had done to me. I stopped him the 2 times I saw it happen. I explained (to him) that part of my parenting of boys was to teach them about consent. That noone should touch them if they didn't want to. That this would demonstrate to them that boundaries were important. I said that it also carried on into teasing, and "jokes". That when they say No, it means stop. And the thing which was always said. If the person you are "joking" / "teasing" isn't having fun then it stops.

My intelligent, kind cousin instantly "got" it and we didn't have a repeat. My son who has an ASD diagnosis gets it. He's now 19 and I always remember him telling his younger brother, if not everyone is having fun, we stop.

You need to enforce your daughters boundaries for her in this.

ButteryLightHouse · 20/05/2025 13:58

Funnyduck60 · 20/05/2025 13:43

Well FIL is wrong and should learn to read the room so to speak. However, the world is a place where we don't always get what we want and it may well help toughen up DD. It is almost impossible to change the behaviour of others so encourage DD to ignore him. School will be full of daft boys.

You can't possibly be serious.

Bullying to help toughen a person up?
Equating poorly behaved boys the same age as the girl with an adult family member who according to society's expectations should love, care and protect her?

moose62 · 20/05/2025 14:00

My grandmother was like that and teased me constantly. My mother did nothing to stop it just telling me to grow a backbone. A grown adult against a small child is not a fair battle. It will undermine your DD's self esteem and will not broker well with your relationship with her is she feels you have not tried to stop it.
Don't rely on DH - speak to your FIL yourself. So he might get upset, he is an adult and can deal with his hurt feelings himself.