Mayflower primary school - nappy changing facilities for school aged children

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AIBU to think this shouldn't be necessary?

Not including those with sen, children should be potty trained before starting school - AIBU?

Or maybe therr are more disasbled children
Im my LA we have four special schools ,two primary and two secondary ,all four have doubled in capacity in the last ten or so year ,s to accomadate the growing needs of the children
And my LA has better provision than most.

Help is out there. The issue that is over looked is the parents who can’t be bothered. Hard to identify by social services and the problems suffered by the kids are awful. Not blaming social services.

Ok, and you're saying what about school? If there's a need for children to have changing facilities, whoever you want to blame because it seems you must blame someone, what's your solution? Other than have changing facilities?

Special needs aside, this is just ridiculous. To my mind, there’s a creeping laziness and lack of personal responsibility spreading throughout society. People expect to outsource parenting. Nursery will do it, school will do it, they don’t have to…

You did about my son who is changed at school. I explained he wouldn't be able to attend a SEN school because your first comment seemed to imply that all children who need changing at school with additional needs should go to a SEN school and you said something about his teacher changing him.

In the nicest possible way, you've taken nearly every comment on this thread as a personal attack even though barely any of them actually apply.

I don't think I have. Especially just correcting someone who clearly questioned my son getting changed at a mainstream school knowing he has extra needs who is now denying it ever happened.

Imply - check the definition.
i stand by my comment that you expect your child to be changed by the teacher whilst other kids with possible SEN and no additional needs have to miss part of the lesson and keep focus. I’d have contacted my kids school if they were missing class time most days of the week time due to a child who couldn’t control their bowel and bladder or for any other disruptive reason.

What a big lie.

Out of interest what do you'd think would or should happen there?

I expect him to be changed because the alternative is leaving him soiled or him not having an education at all and neither are appropriate.

As I clearly explained before, his class teacher doesn't change him and isn't even named on his intimate care plan. TA's and other classroom support tend to change children.

Agree and this thread isn’t about SEN so it’s a derailing attempt.

How was it a lie when you've just done it again? Not to mention completely ignoring my response that class teachers aren't usually the ones who change a child.

Good for you that you have a TA and other classroom support. Your kid has SEN but this thread isn’t about SEN.

It's going to include comments about SEN children when people like you suggest that all SEN children who need to be changed need to be in SEN schools when it isn't that simple or appropriate for all incontinent children.

But it is about SEN. People are arguing that staff should never have to change nappies, in the vast majority of cases if a child is still in nappies when they start school there will be some sort of additional needs (diagnosed or not)

lots of children only receive diagnosis aged much older than 4 but that doesn’t mean the needs aren’t there.

You post is timed a few minutes ago. I’m not a machine so I read and responded during the three minutes you posted again complaining that I’d not responded lol

I responded the first time explaining that teachers don't generally change children, that is what I was meaning.

The op clearly states not about SEN. Have a read.

Yet you brought up SEN children in your first comment suggesting that they need to be in SEN schools.

Because people want to have a convenient complain about parents and how parenting is falling apart ( 🙄having grown up in the 80s and seen the parenting around me at that point this is hilarious to me) while just erasing the fact the need for changing in school is massively due to ASN and lack of SEN provision. Oh no, it's these feckless parents!

You can state it as much as you like but it doesn’t make it true! To discount SEN is to discount the biggest factor at play.

Not focusing on them - I was ready for the SEN ableist etc brigade and here we are.

I can’t copy and paste the op but it is in the op. Fact.

It might be in the op but it doesn’t mean it is a factor that can be discounted. Why would you discount the biggest factor in any debate?