Mayflower primary school - nappy changing facilities for school aged children

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AIBU to think this shouldn't be necessary?

Not including those with sen, children should be potty trained before starting school - AIBU?

Illness (vomit, diarrhoea, nose bleeds) can’t be compared to kids whose parents haven’t bothered to toilet train. Kids having an accident is the same reasoning in early years. It happens but it’s not the same as arriving at school in a nappy not knowing how to use a toilet.

I'm aware of that I'm the parent of a disabled child HTH.

Actually a child in a nappy is easier because we can plan changes (pretty much!)

It probably won't be a teacher.

Then hopefully you’ll understand the difference between loser parents not bothering to toilet train and parents of kids who can’t use the toilet due to mental/physical health.

What do you mean mental ,physical health ,if a child can't use the toilet for physical reason, s they will still be disabled in some way.

Sorry I misread the previous quote .

Yep.

My son needs changing multiple times a day, every single day at school and his teacher has never and will never change him. He isn't even named on his intimate care plan.

Even in special school, s it's not usually teachers they have staff whose specific role is toileting,and personal hygiene.

No problem. I understand that you are dealing with disability. You need all the help and consideration possible. To be clear here I’m pointing out the loser parents of nondisabled kids that (parents) just can’t be bothered. I feel sorry for these kids getting a literally shitty start at school.

What happens whilst these assessments take place? We spent two years at mainstream waiting on the education board getting their finger out. The continence clinic refused to see him as he was "too young". I was broken trying everything I could. Changing and washing clothing and bedding multiple times a day was such a fun and the cost of nappies and pads was financially crippling me. I used reusables for years but these obviously were not practical as he grew.

Better assessments and earlier intervention is needed. No money though.

My DS turned out to have partial chromosomal deletion. I knew there was something wrong from day one the NHS didn't agree it took a locum doctor to spot the obvious when he was 5! The professor we attended said it was a textbook case.

We were very lucky to even get a place at a specialist school. They weren't closed for inclusion they were closed because they cost too much.

This place would honestly have you believe that schools were bursting at the seams with children from families who just couldn’t be bothered. It’s not SEN, of course it’s not because if you’re a twat about a disabled child, you’re a particular sort of scum. So we have to convince ourselves it’s lazy parents so the ire is acceptable. It isn’t.

Is there any data on what percentage of those who start not trained have additional needs? I do fail to see why you’d need to read a book or visit a centre to potty train your average child…

Or the assessments take place and you are told that because your child doesn't have learning disabilities, they will never be accepted to a SEN school because the education wouldn't be appropriate for them?

I'm still waiting for that answer.

Can’t speak for bigger data. I work in a mainstream school with an intake number of 15. We are in what ofsted class as a deprived area

in nursery we have 2 not fully toilet trained (one we are referring for assessments with parents consent). In reception all are toilet trained but two have regular accidents (one has a complex background which may or may not contribute)

Your son has been through an awful lot, why anyone would begrudge him an education beggars beleif he still needs to have his needs met despite no cognitive impairment

@Kirbert2 it's a complete nightmare. There is absolutely no answer. SN parenting is a series of flaming hoops we must jump through whilst blind folded. We are at the end of schooling now with no direction or help just a new set of hoops only hrs now expected to jump alone and can't. So much for lazy it's exhausting. Hope you get the help you deserve.

Exactly.

To be honest, even if a special school could've accommodated his educational needs, I only would've accepted it if his current school had made it clear that they couldn't accommodate his needs. He's been at his school since he started nursery at 3 (and potty trained 🙃) and changing schools isn't something any of us wanted.

He was still in hospital when school called me, asked about his potential needs and said right away that they'd be able to accommodate him. They were always so eager to have him back and some of the teachers even got teary when he came back. It's such a fantastic school.

There are different types of special schools but a generic LA special school generally caters for children with learning disabilities, in my LA we actually have four special schools two primary one of which caters for children with moderate to severe learning disabilities and the other caters for children with severe and profound learning disabilities
Same with the two high school, s
It doesn't sound like any of them would be appropriate for your son
So his needs being met in mainstream is appropriate.

I hope you get the same kind of support for high school .

@Kirbert2 sending love to you and your family and my hopes for an easier future.

That's right.

In my immediate area we have one special school that is for complex autism only, one special school that requires children to have global developmental delay as well as other complex needs and the other special school is similar except a diagnosis of global development delay isn't required.

None of them offer a curriculum that would be appropriate for my son.

That does worry me. He'll be Year 5 from September and it will soon come around.

Hopefully we'll be able to get him the support he requires.

Thanks.

He's doing really well. Despite everything changing for him overnight, he's incredibly resilient and still his happy, loud, cheeky self.

Hopefully you won't have to fight
Your sons needs do sound quite specific and if you don't mind me saying quite unique becsuse of his cancer diagnosis so I hope it's straightforward.