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10yo DS permanently excluded (long post)

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Tiredmumof32014 · 14/05/2025 20:34

Not sure what I’m looking for really – maybe just a place to let it out. DS (10) was permanently excluded from his private primary 2 weeks ago. He’s in Year 5. I’m absolutely broken over it all, been carrying the weight alone for years and just needed somewhere to write it all down.

He’s my youngest. My older two are adults now, so it’s just me and him at home. I left his dad when DS was 6 months old due to DV — we’ve had no contact since. No family around to help either, it’s just been me.

Baby – Toddler Year

• From day one he was hard work. Screamed constantly, barely slept, hated being held one minute then wouldn’t let go of me the next.

• Wouldn’t tolerate the pram or car seat, always squirming or screaming.

• Very sensitive to noises and textures — would cover his ears at the sound of hoover, hairdryer, hand dryer etc. Hated tags in clothes, refused to wear socks properly.

• Language was a bit delayed but then caught up fast. Seemed bright in some ways — could remember facts and songs — but would have wild tantrums over the smallest things.

• Very aggressive when overwhelmed — biting, throwing things, screaming.

• Toilet training was a nightmare. Didn’t come out of nappies properly until nearly 5. Still had daily accidents at 6. Still having them now, at 10.

Reception – Year 2 (Mainstream state school)

• It was clear early on that school wasn’t the right fit.

• Would get overwhelmed easily — especially during assemblies, transitions, PE.

• Started masking a lot at school but would explode at home — I’m talking full-blown meltdowns every day after pickup.

• Would lash out at me, throw furniture, scream for hours. Couldn’t handle any change — if his shoes were wet or the wrong dinner was made, the day was over.

• Still wetting and soiling at home and wouldn’t wipe properly. We had to start using pull-ups again some days.

• Referred to CAMHS at 7 but we were discharged after one phone appointment because he “wasn’t showing signs of ASD”. GP said keep a diary.

• Applied for EHCP twice, both refused — school said he “managed fine in class” which was just him masking.

Year 3 – 4 (Still in mainstream)

• Things got worse the older he got.

• Started refusing to go in some mornings. Would cry, cling to me, sometimes hide in cupboards at school.

• Increasingly aggressive at home. Started hitting himself during meltdowns, screaming that he was “stupid” or “no good”.

• No friendships — other kids found him odd or too intense. He’d either talk nonstop about the Titanic or sit alone.

• I pushed for specialist provision but LA said he wouldn’t meet criteria without an EHCP. Specialist schools I contacted directly also said the same — lovely on the phone but all said “needs not complex enough for our setting”.

• By end of Year 4 school was saying they couldn’t support him long-term.

Year 5 (Private school – started Sept 24)

• Took out a loan, used savings, just wanted to give him a chance. They sold themselves as nurturing and small class sizes.

• He lasted a week before the issues started.

• Would sit under the desk, rock back and forth, cover his ears

• Had daily meltdowns — over noise, group work, being asked to write.

• Would throw books, shout, once pulled a display board off the wall.

• Constant issues around toileting — wet himself at school more than once, soiled a few times, refused to wipe and left mess in the toilets.

• They kept sending him home — not suspensions, just constant calls asking me to pick him up.

• By January they started saying “not the right environment for him” and started keeping him out of assemblies and PE “for his own good”.

• Last straw was 2 weeks ago — a child made a comment about him smelling. DS lost it. He threw a chair, hit the boy in the face, then locked himself in the toilet and smeared poo all over the walls.

• I got the call and was asked to collect him. Two days later the exclusion letter came. Permanent.

Home life now

• I’m honestly on my knees.

• His toileting has fully regressed. He wets himself daily and soils multiple times a week. Doesn’t wipe, sometimes hides dirty underwear, I find it in corners of the room or stuffed in drawers.

• He strips off when overwhelmed — today we were on the bus, he had a meltdown, full screaming and crying, then stripped all his clothes off in the middle of the aisle. I had to get him off the bus half-naked while people stared.

• Still co-sleeps with me. Wakes 3-4 times a night, screams if I’m not there.

• Eats with his hands, refuses cutlery.

• Will spend hours pacing and repeating things from YouTube or going on and on about disasters (Titanic, plane crashes etc).

• Can’t tolerate any changes — I bought different pasta last week and he had a 40-minute meltdown.

• Hates haircuts, nail clipping, even brushing teeth is a battle.

• Hits himself in the face when overwhelmed. Bangs head on walls or bites his hands.

• Has no social life — can’t cope with parties, groups, or even playdates. Doesn’t have friends.

• Some days he’s so lovely — cuddly, funny, clever with facts — but the next minute he’s screaming and throwing everything across the room.

• No diagnosis still. We’ve had so many “he’s just sensitive” or “you’re doing too much for him” comments from professionals it makes me want to scream.

• Applied for EHCP again with legal support this time. Still waiting. Been out of school 2 weeks and not a peep from the LA. No idea what we’re supposed to do next.

I don’t know where we go from here. I know he needs specialist support but no one’s taking us seriously. I’ve kept him going for 10 years on nothing but instinct and love but I’m exhausted. He’s not a naughty child. He’s a little boy in crisis and I feel like no one cares until it’s too late.

Thanks if you read all this. Just didn’t know where else to put it.

OP posts:
ncanon88 · 14/05/2025 20:45

That sounds really tough, OP. I am sure people with experience of this will chip in with useful advice. For now, I am just commenting to bump your post up.

foodtoorder · 14/05/2025 20:46

It sounds beyond tough OP.
I haven't been through this but he clearly needs mental health support.
Your first port of call should be GP.
Is there a child mental health team helpline you can ring for local services?

endofthelinefinally · 14/05/2025 20:47

One thing that jumps out at me is the bowel/ soiling and continence issues. Impaction causes soiling and wetting, it causes constant pain and huge psychlogical stress. I am sure there are other things going on too and ASD definitely comes to mind, but if you could get to grips with the soiling/wetting you might get a clearer picture of the rest.

sakuraspring · 14/05/2025 20:47

I realise you've had a huge financial hit already, but could you pay for a private assessment?

Another avenue would be to email your MP, our local MP helped my friend enormously.

butmumineedit · 14/05/2025 20:49

Depends which county you live in as to whether you need to ask for a paediatric or camhs referral

for possible Asd. Would also apply for Dla even though you have no diagnosis. Contact your child missing in education team, apply for local primary schools , be honest and maybe suggest part time table to help both you and the school. Take a deep breathe and relax you are doing a great job without any help . You won’t get specialist school without an ehcp - which can take 26 weeks !!

TheeNotoriousPIG · 14/05/2025 20:51

Oh, OP, I'm so sorry! He sounds deeply unhappy about things, and very anxious, as well as with some possible neurodivergence. I know that people go on about people banging on about neurodivergence, but in your son's case, it sounds genuine.

Please speak to a GP. Print your post and take that, if you need to, because it sounds beyond hard work- for you and your son. If that doesn't result in anything, would your finances stretch to a private diagnosis if you suspect possible ND or MH issues? I appreciate that your finances might be difficult at the moment, with the cost of private schooling.

Either way, OP, I hope that things work out for you both!

NotSayingImBatman · 14/05/2025 20:51

You need to funnel the money that would’ve gone on school fees into a private ASD assessment. Your son’s day to day life sounds exactly like my own child — also 10 — and he has AuDHD with a PDA profile. I don’t know what area you’re in, but where I am, the CAMHS waiting list is 4-5 years, even if your GP agrees to refer you.

Ordinarily, I’d suggest looking at Right to Choose assessments, but you’d still need your on board and it sounds like that might be a struggle. It’s clear as day to anyone reading your post that your child is autistic, but it’s almost impossible to even get on the waiting list if he masks. I don’t suppose the private school would be inclined to help with referrals etc if you’re no longer paying them.

You’re doing an amazing job. Having a child with SEN is one battle after another, but you’ll get there.

Parrish · 14/05/2025 20:52

You need to see your GP. I went to mine with something similar and she was immediately on the phone to CAMHs and getting my child up the waiting list. I'll be forever grateful for her for listening.

Hazlenuts2016 · 14/05/2025 20:54

Apply for DLA if you haven't already. I'm sorry you're going through this, as a mum of an SEN child i can empathise. I hope you get some support soon.

Lindy2 · 14/05/2025 20:56

He is showing signs of ASD. It's disgraceful that CAMHs discharged you.

I would make a GP appointment as soon as you can. Show the GP what you've written in your post. If you can afford it a private diagnosis would be quicker.

The Local Authority have 6 weeks to decide whether they will assess for an EHCP. The assessment stage then takes upto 20 weeks (although a lot of Local Authorities are taking longer). Hopefully you will hear soon. He clearly needs additional support and the exclusion actually helps demonstrate that school is not able to meet his needs.

For now though take a step back on the schooling. Its clearly been a very difficult time for everyone. Let him take some time to recover and for you to take a breath and find some additional support.

QueenofLouisiana · 14/05/2025 20:56

Things to think about:
if you haven’t got social care involved, consider this. They are there to support and help, they may be able to offer access to help for you. You can’t pour from an empty cup and I think your cup is pretty empty right now.
Look into SEND parent support groups- some may be specific to need, others not. Again, this may give you support.

The LA has several months to go through the EHCP process and you may not hear back for a while.

Im so sorry, it’s a very tough place to be. I hope that your son gets the provision he needs. He sounds similar to my class (the cuddles, the stripping and the switch from one to the other in seconds are all familiar) but mine are less academically able. Supporting them through a period of severe dysregulation takes a lot, I can only empathise a little as I have a team of adults and only have the children for six hours a day.

Monster6 · 14/05/2025 20:56

I don’t know exactly what advice you are seeking op? My child shows elements of this behaviour throughout the years. I’m not a medical professional but I’d say your son is autistic. Welcome to the club 😊
Lots of the behaviour you describe suggests overwhelmed, disregulation and frustration. I’d seek a formal diagnosis first, you can use this post and the developmental history as well as the actual ‘test’. The assessors take all that into account. In the meantime, your local authority school does have a duty to provide a place for him…are there any communication or SEN units locally? Seek out local support groups on fb etc and puck brains. I’m sorry, it sounds very tough. 🥰

TheDivergentEnigma · 14/05/2025 20:56

I don't know what to say...................

My son is ASD, not as severe as yours, but it was still clear something in primary was not right - he also would explode when he came home from school, struggled socially, etc.

It took three attempts to get him assessed. First, they wouldn't assess him for autism, but offered me a parenting course for parents who have kids with autism (quite ironic, really). The second time, the same person stated he was just a bit socially awkward.
Eventually, the same person again assessed him and eventually agreed he was autistic - he was in year three for the first appointment - the diagnosis arrived as year 6 ended. His ECHP started at secondary school.

He's 18 now and still struggles, still gets overwhelmed and has meltdowns.

It's exhausting, I'm ashamed to say that despite loving him to bits, if I knew this was what it was going to be like, I wouldn't have had kids. It has a huge effect on me - I worry about him constantly, I feel like I'm used as a battering ram when he has his meltdowns, and I sometimes think of leaving as I feel burnt out. The empathy fatigue kicked in a few years ago, and it's exhausting to mask it. I then suffer guilt for feeling like this, and often enjoy what little time I get when I'm completely alone.

Sorry, I didn't help - but you're not alone. The system stinks, and it's emotionally draining. Just try and find some time for yourself to have a break. Hopefully, you will get a diagnosis soon and get some support.

vegantart · 14/05/2025 20:59

This is awful how you and your son have been treated op.

first of all, well done for trying a different environment even though it didn’t work out. You now know exactly what he needs from a school and have applied again for an ehcp which is exactly what he needs. You can appeal and take them to a tribunal if they say no again.

please visit a different gp within your surgery and ask for a referral to both camhs and the incontinence team. They can help with toileting issues that he’s having. If you’re in England, you can choose the right to choose to have your ds assessed or privately if that’s an option for you.

You're doing all the right things op, I just wanted to let you know that.

Have you applied for DLA for your son? It’s not means tested and would be money for you to use for him, please do look into that.

Lindy2 · 14/05/2025 20:59

Also, the National Autistic Society is good. They offer a free online/Teams course about autism and coping techniques. It's very supportive.

Whatsthestoryo · 14/05/2025 20:59

I don't know the English system OP but I think you need to get the professionals to advise whether the needs are learning disabilty or mental health based and then go from there in getting referred to whichever specialist education provision available to the need. The provision for both are very different.

Trying2310 · 14/05/2025 20:59

I am sorry you and your little boy are going through this. It sounds like he is totally unable to cope at the moment and is burnt out from the years of masking. He needs to be under the care of camhs again and you might need to beat down the door, be insistent and consistent with your contact to them. Print off the bullet points on your post (this is not a child who is just sensitive) and insist on GP appointment face to face. Bring the list and tell them he needs re referred.
The waiting lists for CAMHS are hideous so if you finances would pay for an autism assessment or explore the right to choose option. Contact the CAMHS crisis team every time he has a violent meltdown where he harms himself or others. Do the same every time he puts himself in danger by taking clothes off in public or smearing his poo as this is a health risk
Document everytime you contact a professional asking for their help. Ask them when are they going to step in? When your child seriously hurts themselves or others? Are they going to take responsibility for fobbing you every time you ask for support. Contact social services and ask for help. They can do a family assessment and then signpost for other support agencies.
I'm not suggesting you are not fighting for him so please don't take offence but from my own personal experience you need to be relentless in demanding the support especially from CAMHS.
All of the above is exhausting so try to take care of yourself too. You sound like an amazing and caring mum.

BravebutBroken · 14/05/2025 21:06

I'm so sorry. This all sounds so incredibly tough. I wanted to let you know that there is hope though and things will get easier when he gets the right support. I absolutely recommend an ASD assessment, privately if you can, as he sounds very similar to my son was without the right setting.

Azdcgbjml · 14/05/2025 21:12

I'd like to say I'm surprised at the lack of help you've had but sadly, I've seen it before from the school side. To me, it sounds like your son needs to be assessed for autism and ADHD. It sounds like he is very demand avoidant so reading up on PDA may be useful for you. The priority though is getting him assessed. It is shameful on the professionals involved that he has got this far without this happening but it is not unusual. Parents often have to fight and fight to get what's needed even in cases where there is an obvious need.

Definitely, get to the GP. Maybe print out what you have written here and hand it to them. Get him referred for assessment. Perhaps the school.that excluded him would write a letter for you explaining the issues they had with him. He clearly ticks the boxes of showing behaviours at home and school so it would be good to have the evidence for that.

If you can afford it, it could be worth getting private assessments done as well. Just because it would be faster and could be used as evidence towards the EHCP.

I'm so sorry you have been so badly let down by the system and wish you luck in getting what you need.

Ablondiebutagoody · 14/05/2025 21:18

He sounds far from naughty, just really, really struggling. I'm no help I'm afraid but I hope that you find some soon.

Dramatic · 14/05/2025 21:21

I don't understand how they can tell you he's just a bit sensitive, a child of 10 smearing the walls and having all the bladder/bowel issues is indicative of a much deeper issue and that's before considering any of the other problems he's having.

I don't have any more practical advice than what other people have said but you are not wrong, he absolutely needs professional help and a space in a specialist school

scotstars · 14/05/2025 21:21

Gosh OP I'm so sorry. Not much to add to advice already given just wanted you to know you are not alone so much of your post reminds me of my own situation similar age nd child no one else at home, no family nearby and also Titanic and disaster obsessed. It's exhausting I hope you get some help soon

IButtleSir · 14/05/2025 21:22

My god, I'm so sorry. Your poor little boy is really struggling, and my heart if breaking for you both. It seems overwhelmingly likely from your description that he is autistic. Have you seen your GP lately?

Tikeahulilly · 14/05/2025 21:25

Hi @Tiredmumof32014 you should post on the sen board to get reccomendations of professionals in your area, idea of cost for private etc.

I'd be using the money for the private school for private diagnosis, interventios and legal (depending on affodability)

Definitely apply for dla. I am at the moment. The form isn't nice but what you have written above is alot of what they seek to be asking (I am no expert!).

Also reach out to charities for some 1:1 guidance as to what to do and for support for him

Definitely ask the SEN board on mumsnet. They are very helpful

So sorry to hear this xx

babysharktooth · 14/05/2025 21:30

You need to (if you have the energy) contact the LA and ask for an application via their Fair Access Protocol. He may be able to access provision at the local authorities Pupil Referral Unit - it’s not a short cut to an EHCP or even a specialist placement but you may find they can offer you the support you need for next steps.
Have some experience working with PRU’s and many parents feel that the professionals there listen and support them with those next steps.