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10yo DS permanently excluded (long post)

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Tiredmumof32014 · 14/05/2025 20:34

Not sure what I’m looking for really – maybe just a place to let it out. DS (10) was permanently excluded from his private primary 2 weeks ago. He’s in Year 5. I’m absolutely broken over it all, been carrying the weight alone for years and just needed somewhere to write it all down.

He’s my youngest. My older two are adults now, so it’s just me and him at home. I left his dad when DS was 6 months old due to DV — we’ve had no contact since. No family around to help either, it’s just been me.

Baby – Toddler Year

• From day one he was hard work. Screamed constantly, barely slept, hated being held one minute then wouldn’t let go of me the next.

• Wouldn’t tolerate the pram or car seat, always squirming or screaming.

• Very sensitive to noises and textures — would cover his ears at the sound of hoover, hairdryer, hand dryer etc. Hated tags in clothes, refused to wear socks properly.

• Language was a bit delayed but then caught up fast. Seemed bright in some ways — could remember facts and songs — but would have wild tantrums over the smallest things.

• Very aggressive when overwhelmed — biting, throwing things, screaming.

• Toilet training was a nightmare. Didn’t come out of nappies properly until nearly 5. Still had daily accidents at 6. Still having them now, at 10.

Reception – Year 2 (Mainstream state school)

• It was clear early on that school wasn’t the right fit.

• Would get overwhelmed easily — especially during assemblies, transitions, PE.

• Started masking a lot at school but would explode at home — I’m talking full-blown meltdowns every day after pickup.

• Would lash out at me, throw furniture, scream for hours. Couldn’t handle any change — if his shoes were wet or the wrong dinner was made, the day was over.

• Still wetting and soiling at home and wouldn’t wipe properly. We had to start using pull-ups again some days.

• Referred to CAMHS at 7 but we were discharged after one phone appointment because he “wasn’t showing signs of ASD”. GP said keep a diary.

• Applied for EHCP twice, both refused — school said he “managed fine in class” which was just him masking.

Year 3 – 4 (Still in mainstream)

• Things got worse the older he got.

• Started refusing to go in some mornings. Would cry, cling to me, sometimes hide in cupboards at school.

• Increasingly aggressive at home. Started hitting himself during meltdowns, screaming that he was “stupid” or “no good”.

• No friendships — other kids found him odd or too intense. He’d either talk nonstop about the Titanic or sit alone.

• I pushed for specialist provision but LA said he wouldn’t meet criteria without an EHCP. Specialist schools I contacted directly also said the same — lovely on the phone but all said “needs not complex enough for our setting”.

• By end of Year 4 school was saying they couldn’t support him long-term.

Year 5 (Private school – started Sept 24)

• Took out a loan, used savings, just wanted to give him a chance. They sold themselves as nurturing and small class sizes.

• He lasted a week before the issues started.

• Would sit under the desk, rock back and forth, cover his ears

• Had daily meltdowns — over noise, group work, being asked to write.

• Would throw books, shout, once pulled a display board off the wall.

• Constant issues around toileting — wet himself at school more than once, soiled a few times, refused to wipe and left mess in the toilets.

• They kept sending him home — not suspensions, just constant calls asking me to pick him up.

• By January they started saying “not the right environment for him” and started keeping him out of assemblies and PE “for his own good”.

• Last straw was 2 weeks ago — a child made a comment about him smelling. DS lost it. He threw a chair, hit the boy in the face, then locked himself in the toilet and smeared poo all over the walls.

• I got the call and was asked to collect him. Two days later the exclusion letter came. Permanent.

Home life now

• I’m honestly on my knees.

• His toileting has fully regressed. He wets himself daily and soils multiple times a week. Doesn’t wipe, sometimes hides dirty underwear, I find it in corners of the room or stuffed in drawers.

• He strips off when overwhelmed — today we were on the bus, he had a meltdown, full screaming and crying, then stripped all his clothes off in the middle of the aisle. I had to get him off the bus half-naked while people stared.

• Still co-sleeps with me. Wakes 3-4 times a night, screams if I’m not there.

• Eats with his hands, refuses cutlery.

• Will spend hours pacing and repeating things from YouTube or going on and on about disasters (Titanic, plane crashes etc).

• Can’t tolerate any changes — I bought different pasta last week and he had a 40-minute meltdown.

• Hates haircuts, nail clipping, even brushing teeth is a battle.

• Hits himself in the face when overwhelmed. Bangs head on walls or bites his hands.

• Has no social life — can’t cope with parties, groups, or even playdates. Doesn’t have friends.

• Some days he’s so lovely — cuddly, funny, clever with facts — but the next minute he’s screaming and throwing everything across the room.

• No diagnosis still. We’ve had so many “he’s just sensitive” or “you’re doing too much for him” comments from professionals it makes me want to scream.

• Applied for EHCP again with legal support this time. Still waiting. Been out of school 2 weeks and not a peep from the LA. No idea what we’re supposed to do next.

I don’t know where we go from here. I know he needs specialist support but no one’s taking us seriously. I’ve kept him going for 10 years on nothing but instinct and love but I’m exhausted. He’s not a naughty child. He’s a little boy in crisis and I feel like no one cares until it’s too late.

Thanks if you read all this. Just didn’t know where else to put it.

OP posts:
CleverButScatty · 15/05/2025 21:31

Lougle · 15/05/2025 17:05

Also, what is your reference for saying that 'it's incredibly rare' for someone with autism to need that level of care? What is rare? How rare are we talking?

Edited

You are just as capable of googling this as me

This is a thread for a mum who needs practical support and advice for a her son who is struggling with SEND because he hasn't had the right support at school.

This is really horrific for her, please don't start trying to detail the thread.

Lougle · 15/05/2025 21:38

CleverButScatty · 15/05/2025 21:31

You are just as capable of googling this as me

This is a thread for a mum who needs practical support and advice for a her son who is struggling with SEND because he hasn't had the right support at school.

This is really horrific for her, please don't start trying to detail the thread.

What?? I'm derailing nothing. I'm just replying to your post to say that it is not an insult to autistic people to say that some autistic people need residential care.

wellington77 · 15/05/2025 22:20

Have you spoken to any autism charities to offer support in getting adequate school provision? I say this as my husband until a few years ago worked for autism charities and did things like this

Worriedmotheroftwo · 15/05/2025 22:29

Tiredmumof32014 · 14/05/2025 23:26

Thanks so much for all the replies, genuinely means a lot to feel heard. I’ve just had another awful evening with him and I’m sat here shattered.

He’s got worse since the exclusion. I actually had another massive meltdown from him just after I posted earlier. He was sitting watching something on his tablet and out of nowhere he just exploded. Screaming, crying, threw the tablet across the room, started hitting himself and biting his hands. It went on for over an hour till about 10:30. He didn’t properly calm down in the end, just wore himself out and fell asleep. He’s still lying on the floor in my room. I haven’t even moved him into bed yet, just needed a sit down.

I’m in Nottingham. We did take him to the GP before about the soiling and they said it’s not physical. He does go through phases of refusing to use the toilet, no real reason given, it just seems to be a sensory or control thing maybe. Public toilets or school ones make it 10x worse. And when he does soil, he either won’t tell me or won’t let me help him clean up, but also won’t do it himself. He runs off and hides and gets really distressed if I try and step in.

We did try contacting some of the local SEN schools ourselves last year and they were nice about it but basically all said without an EHCP there’s nothing they can do. LA refused it twice, we’re appealing again now with some support but it’s dragging.

As for a private assessment, I’d love to but we’re still paying off the school fees loan. I took out a personal loan to cover the year and obviously now he’s been excluded, we’re stuck with that and no school place. But I agree, any money we do have now needs to go on that, not more schools.

He doesn’t let anyone visit the house. The only people he’ll accept are my older kids and their dad (we stayed on good terms, and DS really gets on with him). Anyone else and he’ll shut down or have a meltdown, he just can’t cope with people in his space.

Homeschool isn’t really an option either. I don’t think he’d manage to engage with any work at home. He sees home as his safe space and I think trying to force learning here would just make things worse. School is school, home is home in his head.

Really appreciate the suggestion to email my MP. I hadn’t thought of that but I’m going to try it tomorrow when things are quieter. Also looking into DLA again, I didn’t think we’d get it without a diagnosis but if it helps at all I’ll apply.

You poor thing. I really hope you have some friend/family support. It's so hard. You're doing an amazing job under tough circumstances.

Yes, you can definitely get DLA without a diagnosis. We did (highest tier plus mobility). You have useful evidence already given his exclusion.

Push and fight for the EHCP. We were rejected too but I badgered and badgered and quoted the law and badgered some more emailed Director of Children's Services, MP, etc and finally it was approved.

Any support will be easier to secure with a diagnosis and written evidence. That, I sadly learned, costs money if you want it quickly. Is there any way you can afford even an OT assessment? We paid a few hundred for ours. If you can't afford a private ASD diagnosis, get the GP to refer him through Right to Choose immediately and this should be sorted within the next few months.

Happy to help more if you want to dm. I really feel for you as my boy sounds so much like yours, and I hit crisis point 1-2 years ago. It was all thanks to the support from mums on MN that we've got on track and I hope so much it will be the same for you.

Welcome2thecircus · 15/05/2025 22:59

The Eric site is often recommended by doctors for constipation or soiling issues.

In terms of teeth brushing and other triggers this sounds sensory. Is he sensitive to clothes labels, seams etc?

You're doing an amazing job and really deserve some help.

In terms of the ECHP there's some great parent groups on Facebook. Unsure of your area but another parent might be able to help you pushing it through.

By the admission of the school, it sounds like they agree he needs more help. So you'll have plenty of evidence.

I really feel for you both. It sounds so hard. ❤️

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