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10yo DS permanently excluded (long post)

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Tiredmumof32014 · 14/05/2025 20:34

Not sure what I’m looking for really – maybe just a place to let it out. DS (10) was permanently excluded from his private primary 2 weeks ago. He’s in Year 5. I’m absolutely broken over it all, been carrying the weight alone for years and just needed somewhere to write it all down.

He’s my youngest. My older two are adults now, so it’s just me and him at home. I left his dad when DS was 6 months old due to DV — we’ve had no contact since. No family around to help either, it’s just been me.

Baby – Toddler Year

• From day one he was hard work. Screamed constantly, barely slept, hated being held one minute then wouldn’t let go of me the next.

• Wouldn’t tolerate the pram or car seat, always squirming or screaming.

• Very sensitive to noises and textures — would cover his ears at the sound of hoover, hairdryer, hand dryer etc. Hated tags in clothes, refused to wear socks properly.

• Language was a bit delayed but then caught up fast. Seemed bright in some ways — could remember facts and songs — but would have wild tantrums over the smallest things.

• Very aggressive when overwhelmed — biting, throwing things, screaming.

• Toilet training was a nightmare. Didn’t come out of nappies properly until nearly 5. Still had daily accidents at 6. Still having them now, at 10.

Reception – Year 2 (Mainstream state school)

• It was clear early on that school wasn’t the right fit.

• Would get overwhelmed easily — especially during assemblies, transitions, PE.

• Started masking a lot at school but would explode at home — I’m talking full-blown meltdowns every day after pickup.

• Would lash out at me, throw furniture, scream for hours. Couldn’t handle any change — if his shoes were wet or the wrong dinner was made, the day was over.

• Still wetting and soiling at home and wouldn’t wipe properly. We had to start using pull-ups again some days.

• Referred to CAMHS at 7 but we were discharged after one phone appointment because he “wasn’t showing signs of ASD”. GP said keep a diary.

• Applied for EHCP twice, both refused — school said he “managed fine in class” which was just him masking.

Year 3 – 4 (Still in mainstream)

• Things got worse the older he got.

• Started refusing to go in some mornings. Would cry, cling to me, sometimes hide in cupboards at school.

• Increasingly aggressive at home. Started hitting himself during meltdowns, screaming that he was “stupid” or “no good”.

• No friendships — other kids found him odd or too intense. He’d either talk nonstop about the Titanic or sit alone.

• I pushed for specialist provision but LA said he wouldn’t meet criteria without an EHCP. Specialist schools I contacted directly also said the same — lovely on the phone but all said “needs not complex enough for our setting”.

• By end of Year 4 school was saying they couldn’t support him long-term.

Year 5 (Private school – started Sept 24)

• Took out a loan, used savings, just wanted to give him a chance. They sold themselves as nurturing and small class sizes.

• He lasted a week before the issues started.

• Would sit under the desk, rock back and forth, cover his ears

• Had daily meltdowns — over noise, group work, being asked to write.

• Would throw books, shout, once pulled a display board off the wall.

• Constant issues around toileting — wet himself at school more than once, soiled a few times, refused to wipe and left mess in the toilets.

• They kept sending him home — not suspensions, just constant calls asking me to pick him up.

• By January they started saying “not the right environment for him” and started keeping him out of assemblies and PE “for his own good”.

• Last straw was 2 weeks ago — a child made a comment about him smelling. DS lost it. He threw a chair, hit the boy in the face, then locked himself in the toilet and smeared poo all over the walls.

• I got the call and was asked to collect him. Two days later the exclusion letter came. Permanent.

Home life now

• I’m honestly on my knees.

• His toileting has fully regressed. He wets himself daily and soils multiple times a week. Doesn’t wipe, sometimes hides dirty underwear, I find it in corners of the room or stuffed in drawers.

• He strips off when overwhelmed — today we were on the bus, he had a meltdown, full screaming and crying, then stripped all his clothes off in the middle of the aisle. I had to get him off the bus half-naked while people stared.

• Still co-sleeps with me. Wakes 3-4 times a night, screams if I’m not there.

• Eats with his hands, refuses cutlery.

• Will spend hours pacing and repeating things from YouTube or going on and on about disasters (Titanic, plane crashes etc).

• Can’t tolerate any changes — I bought different pasta last week and he had a 40-minute meltdown.

• Hates haircuts, nail clipping, even brushing teeth is a battle.

• Hits himself in the face when overwhelmed. Bangs head on walls or bites his hands.

• Has no social life — can’t cope with parties, groups, or even playdates. Doesn’t have friends.

• Some days he’s so lovely — cuddly, funny, clever with facts — but the next minute he’s screaming and throwing everything across the room.

• No diagnosis still. We’ve had so many “he’s just sensitive” or “you’re doing too much for him” comments from professionals it makes me want to scream.

• Applied for EHCP again with legal support this time. Still waiting. Been out of school 2 weeks and not a peep from the LA. No idea what we’re supposed to do next.

I don’t know where we go from here. I know he needs specialist support but no one’s taking us seriously. I’ve kept him going for 10 years on nothing but instinct and love but I’m exhausted. He’s not a naughty child. He’s a little boy in crisis and I feel like no one cares until it’s too late.

Thanks if you read all this. Just didn’t know where else to put it.

OP posts:
Createausername1970 · 15/05/2025 08:28

Hi OP
Hope you got some sleep last night. I noticed in your update you said he had fallen asleep on your bedroom floor. This reminded me that I used to put my DS's mattress on our bedroom floor sometimes, next to my side of the bed, and make him a bed there.

He didn't want to co-sleep, he said he was too old for that, but was happier not sleeping on his own. I had started doing that when he was about 7, and it persisted at regular intervals through till he was about 13.

If you have good relationship with older siblings etc., then you NEED them to support YOU. Even if it's just an hour or so to start with, just to allow you to have some space, even just a warm bubbly bath in peace and quiet. If they don't do this already, then ask them to.

ShopUK · 15/05/2025 08:30

I am sorry for what you have gone through OP.

Your DS is struggling and so do you. Please take good care of yourself so that you have the strength to go through all assessments and hoops to jump through.

On top of calling GP, would also contact the LA immediately for a school place asap - just to get evidence /support from school to push for an assessment or to be used in the assessment. It will be tough for your DS but it can be a necessary evil to move things forward.

When you have gather evidence from school, GP and home, it gets smoother.

*Just asking, has the private school refunded the remaining school fee when he is got permanently excluded? Fight for it if it hasn't.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 15/05/2025 09:21

TheDivergentEnigma · 14/05/2025 20:56

I don't know what to say...................

My son is ASD, not as severe as yours, but it was still clear something in primary was not right - he also would explode when he came home from school, struggled socially, etc.

It took three attempts to get him assessed. First, they wouldn't assess him for autism, but offered me a parenting course for parents who have kids with autism (quite ironic, really). The second time, the same person stated he was just a bit socially awkward.
Eventually, the same person again assessed him and eventually agreed he was autistic - he was in year three for the first appointment - the diagnosis arrived as year 6 ended. His ECHP started at secondary school.

He's 18 now and still struggles, still gets overwhelmed and has meltdowns.

It's exhausting, I'm ashamed to say that despite loving him to bits, if I knew this was what it was going to be like, I wouldn't have had kids. It has a huge effect on me - I worry about him constantly, I feel like I'm used as a battering ram when he has his meltdowns, and I sometimes think of leaving as I feel burnt out. The empathy fatigue kicked in a few years ago, and it's exhausting to mask it. I then suffer guilt for feeling like this, and often enjoy what little time I get when I'm completely alone.

Sorry, I didn't help - but you're not alone. The system stinks, and it's emotionally draining. Just try and find some time for yourself to have a break. Hopefully, you will get a diagnosis soon and get some support.

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CatkinToadflax · 15/05/2025 09:23

Oh OP I’m so sorry. What a horrible situation.

I haven’t read all of the posts so apologies if I’m reiterating others’ comments, but:

  • did the private school’s exclusion letter explain in detail the events leading to his exclusion? If not, do you feel you could approach them to ask for it all in writing? I’d like to think that if they have any compassion then they would do this for you. This could be extremely helpful evidence for GP/LA/EHCP/DLA.
  • agree with a PP to fight for the remainder of the fees from the private school.
  • ask the GP to refer you for a carers assessment. We don’t qualify for any extra money for DS but we do qualify for (a bit of) local support.
  • Please do contact social services. My DS is 19 and we have finally been allocated a social worker for him. She’s absolutely wonderful and finally we feel less alone.

Good luck x

Waterweight · 15/05/2025 09:27

Agree with others see a GP get him on medication for anxiety & treatment for the toileting issues then re-push for diagnosis

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 15/05/2025 09:27

That was a hard read op.
I have no words of wisdom for you but just wanted to send you a hand hold and a hug x

CleverButScatty · 15/05/2025 11:30

Sunnyevenings · 15/05/2025 08:09

It wasn’t my intention to upset at all. The person I am referring to who lives in residential care moved into it in his early twenties. His parents were/are too old to support him. I was trying to reassure the worry for the OP trying to cope on her own far in the future which is a worry she will very likely have too.

You are not being reassuring and the idea that it is typical for an autistic person to end up needing residential care is ignorant and insulting to the many intelligent, high achieving, kind, loving, practical autistic people in the world. Or even just those with very average lives (like most NT people have).

Very rarely, a person with profound, multiple and complex other learning difficulties alongside their autism may need that level of care. It's in incredibly rare.

Intentionally or not your post was insulting to autistic people and showing huge amounts of ignorance.

CleverButScatty · 15/05/2025 11:36

Whatafustercluck · 15/05/2025 07:44

Just to second this, op. Our dd was very similar to how you describe (minus the toileting problems) and we eventually stopped battling with her every morning (she drew blood with her scratching and pinching) and let her stay home while she recovered mentally. Taking that pressure off all of us helped so, so much. Two years down the line, we're so much more aware of her triggers, understand her difficulties so much better, she has an ehcp in place, is attending school all day every day and generally thriving - with the odd blip. The focus has to be on reducing the anxiety in the first instance, and until you know what you're dealing with and have had an EP report, it's guesswork. There is light at the end of the tunnel. It just seems like a very long tunnel at the start.

This is so so true. You have to let them recover in the safe space of home and their relationship with you before you can move forward I think x

Sickoffamilydrama · 15/05/2025 12:37

Couldn't see that anyone had suggested this, ask the school he's been excluded from to write down all the behaviours they witnessed then you can use it as evidence that way professionals might be less likely to dismiss you.

nutbrownhare15 · 15/05/2025 13:05

I don't have any particular advice or expertise to share but I just wanted to say I can see how hard you've been trying and I'm sorry the system has failed you both so comprehensively. You both deserve better. I hope you are able to move forward from some of the advice on this thread.

Spanglemum02 · 15/05/2025 13:27

What others have said. It looks like autism to me. Get him.back into the state education system, even if he's only going one hour a day. Apply for ECHO Go back to GP and ask for autism assessment. I'm sorry about thr private school not working out.

Castlereagh · 15/05/2025 15:14

This sounds like a complex situation and I think in an ideal world he would benefit from a comprehensive multidisciplinary assessment which includes assessment of his sensory needs, neurodevelopmental assessment, and consideration of attachment. I noticed you separated from his dad when he was a baby due to dv. As you probably know, dv can harm the developing brain in utero as well as harm developing attachment as a baby. This is not your fault, but something to share when he is assessed by professionals. As well as a potential autistic profile, some of his behaviours are consistent with attachment difficulty. Have a search for the Coventry Grid, it provides a useful breakdown of autistic and attachment related behaviours and the crossover between them.

If you can't afford a full private assessment, please keep pushing for the ehcp as a parent, appeal, go to mediation, go to tribunal. He needs seeing by the ed psych as soon as possible at the very least.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 15/05/2025 16:03

Plenty of good advice from previous posters.

I've not seen it suggested, but you should request a carer's assessment for your self as well.

And anyone you call, keep a record - we had to jump through hoops to get some services on board and being able to say we'd already spoken to x, y and z and weren't eligible/had tried what they'd suggested/ay other outcome helped, because in my experience everyone will try and signpost you to someone else who might be able to do something.

I'd also consider calling the police if your son is being violent - it was awful doing it, but it meant another report going in that backed up all the other reports.

I don't know how it works in the Nottingham area, but if The Family Service is like my area's Families First service, they might be able to help you access other services - one of the things that helped DS the most with dysregulation was a service we were able to access that way, obviously it depends what's available in your area.

As others have said, make sure the LA allocate him a school place, even if he doesn't attend, you need that EHCP and ideally a SENCo who's on board with your son needing an assessment for ASD. Get evidence from the private school of his issues and behaviours in writing - useful for the DLA application as well.

DLA application - if any service near you can help with this, book an appointment. We do, we did, and they were brilliant - I don't think we'd have got the DLA on the first attempt without their help.

And what we were told early on by DS school - you need to be pushy - polite, but pushy. You need to make the phone calls, question everything - ask what the pathway is, what the process is, what exactly is someone's role, what can they do for your child, for you. And always chase things up.

I know lots of people have suggested getting a private assessment, but check if that will be accepted, we considered doing it, but were told it wouldn't be accepted by the LA.

SleepQuest33 · 15/05/2025 16:49

It makes me so upset! That due to budgets, children like yours who need to be in a specialised setting are pushed into mainstream and with no support on top of that!

You have been so badly let down, but there is light at the end of the tunnel! I promise!

Plenty of excellent advice has been given so no point repeating but do you have a good MP? Sometimes contacting them can also help your case.

please document everything and keep a diary of behaviours, unfortunately sometimes evidence is required.

Lougle · 15/05/2025 16:57

CleverButScatty · 15/05/2025 11:30

You are not being reassuring and the idea that it is typical for an autistic person to end up needing residential care is ignorant and insulting to the many intelligent, high achieving, kind, loving, practical autistic people in the world. Or even just those with very average lives (like most NT people have).

Very rarely, a person with profound, multiple and complex other learning difficulties alongside their autism may need that level of care. It's in incredibly rare.

Intentionally or not your post was insulting to autistic people and showing huge amounts of ignorance.

What a load of rubbish. There are people who are "intelligent, high achieving, kind, loving, practical autistic people in the world" and there are other people who are "intelligent, kind, loving, practical autistic people" who need significant care. There are also people who have very limited ability to cope in society at all.

That's just the reality. DD1 is more able than many people she has been educated with, but the reality is that she can't cope with society. She can't cope when people want to chat with her, when they try to phone her mobile phone, etc. She can't cope with rules and deadlines, and boundaries. She will need residential care at some point in her life.

Lougle · 15/05/2025 17:05

CleverButScatty · 15/05/2025 11:30

You are not being reassuring and the idea that it is typical for an autistic person to end up needing residential care is ignorant and insulting to the many intelligent, high achieving, kind, loving, practical autistic people in the world. Or even just those with very average lives (like most NT people have).

Very rarely, a person with profound, multiple and complex other learning difficulties alongside their autism may need that level of care. It's in incredibly rare.

Intentionally or not your post was insulting to autistic people and showing huge amounts of ignorance.

Also, what is your reference for saying that 'it's incredibly rare' for someone with autism to need that level of care? What is rare? How rare are we talking?

bedtimestories · 15/05/2025 17:07

Take recordings of his behaviour to show professionals what he is like in his safe environment. He has a lot of similarities to my son who is just about to be diagnosed with ASD via right to choose

Createausername1970 · 15/05/2025 17:26

Just a comment about homeschooling OP. You said home is your son's safe space so you didn't want to try to do school work there.

I get that completely, I felt the same.

When my son was initially out of school we didn't do anything for a couple of weeks, I just let him calm down, and just "be". He played with his Lego most of the time.

Home schooling doesn't mean you have to be following the curriculum slavishly and trying to teach "lessons". You can if you want, but it's not necessary.

I took the view that my DS was not learning anything at school, he was so far out of his depth, so anything I did at home could only be an improvement.

So when I did introduce "school" it was at his pace and at his level. He read every day, did basic maths to ensure he knew the basics, and some spellings and writing every day. I had a world map on the wall and some days we would identify countries on the map and his task for the day was to write a page about that country, it's language, currency etc, and draw and colour the flag. Maths often involved dice games and card games. Basic stuff, bearing in mind that his friends were starting their GCSE journey. But he wasn't at that stage and it was pointless trying to force it.

Also bear in mind that they probably have a max of 4 hours dedicated teaching time at school, by the time you take out registration, assemblies, pe, playtime, lunchtime. And 2 hours 1-2-1 time is probably the equivalent of 4 hours class time.

So, if you think he might be out of mainstream for a while, then homeschooling based around what interests him, at his pace and starting at his actual level, not where he is "supposed to be" can be a workable interim measure until he gets a place elsewhere.

OrangeAurora · 15/05/2025 18:29

I’m so sorry you’ve been failed by schools and the LA so far. I’ve supported and represented hundreds of parents through the EHCP process and sadly your case isn’t as uncommon as people may think. If you have legal advice hopefully they have helped you gather some evidence in support of the EHC needs assessment and have advised you on the LA’s duties to provide a suitable, full time education. If not, I second IPSEA as an excellent source of advice and support.

If you are able to afford it, prioritise a good educational psychology assessment. Marina Gouzouli-Allen is excellent and ASD specialist. EP advice will form the basis of an EHCP, so it’s essential you have good evidence. Whilst a diagnosis may be helpful in accessing services and certain schools (e.g. ASD specialist schools), a diagnosis is not essential for an EHCP. The legal test for an EHCP is based on the level of special educational need and the provision required as a result.

The road ahead may be long and stressful but you’re already on your way to getting what your son needs and is legally entitled to.

PinkCentipede · 15/05/2025 18:45

@Lougle

I don’t think it’s about being ‘rare’. I hate terms like this. It’s about recognising that the problem lies with societal views on inclusion. That labels, segregation, boxes, terms to define - are adult inventions, and have adult connotations in terms of what defines ‘normal’.

Covidisdrivingmecrazy · 15/05/2025 18:56

Try fightback for justice for assistance with dla claim they are very good and you don’t need a diagnosis.

Bogfrog · 15/05/2025 19:03

I am so sorry to hear about your difficult situation, that sounds so so hard. Well done for everything you’ve done for your son.

As a mother of two autistic children, I am utterly convinced without doubt that your child has autism. It is absolutely disgusting that he hasn’t received a diagnosis yet.

Please keep trying-as many different GPs as it takes in order to get a referral. Once he has a diagnosis, you should be able to get an EHCP so that he can have a place at a special school.

Lougle · 15/05/2025 19:05

PinkCentipede · 15/05/2025 18:45

@Lougle

I don’t think it’s about being ‘rare’. I hate terms like this. It’s about recognising that the problem lies with societal views on inclusion. That labels, segregation, boxes, terms to define - are adult inventions, and have adult connotations in terms of what defines ‘normal’.

Ok, I get it, inclusion is a thing. But have you tried to manage a person who has no sense of how to be safe? DD1 is by no means the most severely affected autistic individual, but she just can't cope with social interaction in a functional way. You can call it labels. You can say that it's because society is expecting things from a neorotypical perspective,. But when she's behaving in unsafe ways, what do you do about it?

I wish it was as easy as 'labels'.

ProudCat · 15/05/2025 19:24

I have a severely disabled son (now in his early 30s). Completely different schtick, but the same sort of all-consuming / drive you to a mental breakdown kind of thing.

Firstly, what I'd say is that anything presenting as chaotic and volatile mental health - and that includes classic autism - is considered a medical emergency. It's not good enough for your GP to say 'No, no, nothing physical'. Health has two categories, both of which they need to treat. Go back to your GP with what you've written here. Hell, you could even go to A&E and see how that plays out.

Secondly, I'd also ask for / refer yourself to social services. At the very least you need a carer's assessment (for you) and they're legally obliged to do that. They must look at your circumstances and safety. Are you able to contact a local carer's charity and ask for support with this?

Finally, write to your director of education at your local council - pretty much just what you've put here, run it through Chatgpt if that'll make it more targeted. Tell them this has now reached crisis point and you want an urgent meeting. Tell them that it's also contravening the Equality Act (2010) and they have a responsibility to not discriminate against your son or yourself. The reason I say this is because of after years of fighting with our LA, eventually this is what I did (minus the Equality Act as it was before then, instead I petitioned the European Court of Human Rights), and I managed to take the director of education out (he had to resign). My son ended up getting everything I told them he needed. Don't be afraid to grab the actual bull by the horns.

PinkCentipede · 15/05/2025 20:14

@Lougle

Yes - maybe on a daily basis? I see structure/routines/you must comply pitted against recognition of individual needs/beauty/nurture/care/kindness.