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To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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MyLimeGuide · 14/05/2025 07:41

In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

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AzureOtter · 17/05/2025 16:47

Happyher · 17/05/2025 16:35

Be careful what you wish for

That was said about organ donation and the fact that everyone in England is upon their death, assumed to be willing to donate their organs unless they have been registered on an opt-out list or are excluded from the list for medical reasons.

There was a paranoid idea that the authorities would be letting people die to harvest their organs.

It hasn't happened. Families are always asked about organ donation and even if a family member explicitly stated they wanted their organs to be donated and were on the donor lists, their family members can still challenge that.

Ya'll need to stop with the paranoia that the authorities want you to die.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 17:01

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 15:28

Well if it becomes legal then time will tell which doctors are secretly mass murderers in waiting. Personally I think the vast majority of doctors and nurses will just continue doing their job of helping people.

Hilarious. Some of us are concerned about the vulnerable feeling pressured into taking their lives. You keep taking the piss sweetie.

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 17:12

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 17:01

Hilarious. Some of us are concerned about the vulnerable feeling pressured into taking their lives. You keep taking the piss sweetie.

Says you! I'm more concerned about the people who are actually suffering.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 17:14

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 17:01

Hilarious. Some of us are concerned about the vulnerable feeling pressured into taking their lives. You keep taking the piss sweetie.

We cannot legislate every single risk way. We

Many are forced into marriage, do we ban marriage?

Cars can be dangerous, do we ban them?

Living is taking a risk with everything and while as society we have to take reasonable steps to safeguard some we still need to be able to function as society.

1457bloom · 17/05/2025 17:19

It’s a shame the Bill doesn’t allow people with dementia to have the choice to end their lives in advance, say, in the event that they become doubly incontinent or unable to speak or stand.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:04

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 17:12

Says you! I'm more concerned about the people who are actually suffering.

This is the issue. Many don't care about anyone but themselves. Someone on here said that they'd be happy for the bill to be widened for anyone who wants to kill themselves.

We're dealing with a selfish society who make jokes about coercion. We have a crumbling NHS, barely any social care and there isn't the money to do this properly. We also have a society that sees the most vulnerable as scroungers.

I understand how some find this amusing but you'll have to excuse me not laughing along.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:05

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 17:14

We cannot legislate every single risk way. We

Many are forced into marriage, do we ban marriage?

Cars can be dangerous, do we ban them?

Living is taking a risk with everything and while as society we have to take reasonable steps to safeguard some we still need to be able to function as society.

We are able to function as a society without this bill. Marriage isn't dangerous, abuse is.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:06

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:05

We are able to function as a society without this bill. Marriage isn't dangerous, abuse is.

So why don’t we prevent abuse by banning marriage?

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 18:14

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:04

This is the issue. Many don't care about anyone but themselves. Someone on here said that they'd be happy for the bill to be widened for anyone who wants to kill themselves.

We're dealing with a selfish society who make jokes about coercion. We have a crumbling NHS, barely any social care and there isn't the money to do this properly. We also have a society that sees the most vulnerable as scroungers.

I understand how some find this amusing but you'll have to excuse me not laughing along.

I'm sorry but I really dont agree with you. I dont see the correlation between being vulnerable and dying and scrounging?

And what on earth has being selfish got to do with wanting less people to suffer and more people to have choice? I'd say your selfish denying people something because you personally disagree with it.

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 18:19

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:05

We are able to function as a society without this bill. Marriage isn't dangerous, abuse is.

As with anything it's not the system that's dangerous its individual people, and as the person said you cant ban everything just because of some bad eggs in the world. Have a bit more faith sweetie pie

swimsong · 17/05/2025 18:29

Swiftie1878 · 14/05/2025 07:55

So would most of us. The problem is that this could be used to expedite the departure of some very vulnerable people. There aren’t enough protections.

We don't know what he protections would be yet.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:37

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:06

So why don’t we prevent abuse by banning marriage?

That's a very intelligent question and I'm delighted to answer.

Marriage is a legal contract between two people. As such it cannot harm people. A contract is not capable of harm as it's inanimate.

People abuse. Whether they're married or not, people abuse.

Please let me know if any of that isn't clear and I'll be happy to help explain further but to sum up:

Contract doesn't abuse
People do abuse

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:41

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:37

That's a very intelligent question and I'm delighted to answer.

Marriage is a legal contract between two people. As such it cannot harm people. A contract is not capable of harm as it's inanimate.

People abuse. Whether they're married or not, people abuse.

Please let me know if any of that isn't clear and I'll be happy to help explain further but to sum up:

Contract doesn't abuse
People do abuse

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:41

Oh sorry, were you actually serious there?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:43

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 18:14

I'm sorry but I really dont agree with you. I dont see the correlation between being vulnerable and dying and scrounging?

And what on earth has being selfish got to do with wanting less people to suffer and more people to have choice? I'd say your selfish denying people something because you personally disagree with it.

I understand that you don't agree with me. Some are myopic and can't see beyond their own nose.

They don't understand basic facts. For example, the government want to cut disability benefits and the current rhetoric in the press is that they're scroungers. They are some of societies' most vulnerable people who are being forced into further poverty and scapegoated.

This is part of Women's Aid statement on the bill:

Coercive and controlling behaviour, which is designed to make a person dependent on their perpetrator by isolating them from support, exploiting them, and depriving them from independence, is at the heart of domestic abuse.

This form of abuse is closely linked to domestic homicide and suicide in the context of domestic abuse, meaning that there are real risks that without effective safeguards in place, the Assisted Dying Bill could leave survivors in an extremely vulnerable position.

This is particularly the case for older survivors and disabled survivors, who may have to depend on their perpetrator as their care giver or who, after years of abuse destroying their self-worth, may feel like the word is a better place without them.

It is important to recognise that disabled people are more likely to experience domestic abuse and coercive control, and that measures need to be in place to protect them. Disabled survivors and those with terminal illnesses can experience medical coercion, which may involve being pressured into signing DNRs or feeling that they must refuse treatments.

And no, it's not meant to be funny so try not to laugh.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/05/2025 18:43

They have less than 6 months to live they wont be blocking the beds for that long!

Yes, @tarrybankheidi, and I'd bracket that with the assurance about judicial hearings that was made so much of at the time but has now been scrapped ( and which noticeably you didn't comment on)

Ironically perhaps I'm in favour of a choice to die as long as it really is a choice ... I just don't trust the system to work properly and not be thoroughly abused

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:45

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:41

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Another intelligent response.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:47

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:45

Another intelligent response.

All thanks to you!

Dud you have to try hard or do these sort of musings come easily to you?

grapesandmelon · 17/05/2025 18:49

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:37

That's a very intelligent question and I'm delighted to answer.

Marriage is a legal contract between two people. As such it cannot harm people. A contract is not capable of harm as it's inanimate.

People abuse. Whether they're married or not, people abuse.

Please let me know if any of that isn't clear and I'll be happy to help explain further but to sum up:

Contract doesn't abuse
People do abuse

Soooo.... whether this bill is passed or not, people will abuse.

So why are you so insistent or causing dying people a slower, more painful, undignified death instead of letting them choose for themselves?

ButterCrackers · 17/05/2025 18:50

It should be a choice of the person made in advance of ill health/accidents like a DNR can be established or made at the time just before an illness/conditions gets too much to live with.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:53

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 18:19

As with anything it's not the system that's dangerous its individual people, and as the person said you cant ban everything just because of some bad eggs in the world. Have a bit more faith sweetie pie

But sugar lips, we're discussing giving the state a right to take people's lives.

If we had a functioning NHS, a decent care service, good palliative care, excellent safeguarding against abuse, (which is currently at crisis level in the UK) and no option to change the criteria, then perhaps this would be a good idea.

Until then cherub, it's dangerous for vulnerable people.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:54

grapesandmelon · 17/05/2025 18:49

Soooo.... whether this bill is passed or not, people will abuse.

So why are you so insistent or causing dying people a slower, more painful, undignified death instead of letting them choose for themselves?

And why are you so blasé about people losing their lives?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:55

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:47

All thanks to you!

Dud you have to try hard or do these sort of musings come easily to you?

When people no longer have an argument, they resort to emojis and personal attacks. Keep going, it's not showing me up.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/05/2025 18:57

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:55

When people no longer have an argument, they resort to emojis and personal attacks. Keep going, it's not showing me up.

No, you are like the Energizer Bunny.

I wonder what really drives you.

Tarrybankheidi · 17/05/2025 18:58

MiloMinderbinder925 · 17/05/2025 18:43

I understand that you don't agree with me. Some are myopic and can't see beyond their own nose.

They don't understand basic facts. For example, the government want to cut disability benefits and the current rhetoric in the press is that they're scroungers. They are some of societies' most vulnerable people who are being forced into further poverty and scapegoated.

This is part of Women's Aid statement on the bill:

Coercive and controlling behaviour, which is designed to make a person dependent on their perpetrator by isolating them from support, exploiting them, and depriving them from independence, is at the heart of domestic abuse.

This form of abuse is closely linked to domestic homicide and suicide in the context of domestic abuse, meaning that there are real risks that without effective safeguards in place, the Assisted Dying Bill could leave survivors in an extremely vulnerable position.

This is particularly the case for older survivors and disabled survivors, who may have to depend on their perpetrator as their care giver or who, after years of abuse destroying their self-worth, may feel like the word is a better place without them.

It is important to recognise that disabled people are more likely to experience domestic abuse and coercive control, and that measures need to be in place to protect them. Disabled survivors and those with terminal illnesses can experience medical coercion, which may involve being pressured into signing DNRs or feeling that they must refuse treatments.

And no, it's not meant to be funny so try not to laugh.

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You really dont get it. Bad people exist we all know that.

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