To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

Selfishly! Are you fucking kidding me!

Sure, so long as your choices don't have negative effects on anyone else, which is exactly why we're having this while debate.

Unfortunately the NHS is not well enough run or funded for this to work well. There's the risk of people being coerced into it and other options such as palliative care which aren't readily available. There's also the problem of it being widened to include people who aren't terminal such as the mentally ill.

I understand that you are the most important person to you but there are others to consider with this bill.

No, I stand by what I wrote.

It's not selfish to want to help the masses.

Then you are a truely disgusting human being.

No it’s not.

It's not helping the masses though , is it. It's causing massive suffering and distress to the masses to save a hypothetical few.

Are you the poster who said terminally ill people can jump off a bridge upthread?

Apologies if I've mixed you up with someone else.

What? What's causing massive suffering to the masses?

Death

Very convenient screen shot there, not bothering to scroll down.

I don’t need a ‘study’ to know what our poor friend had to endure, and I dare say others could say the same.

Well that comes to us all

What I wrote is that it is selfish to choose to ease your own suffering at the expense of someone else.

Very convenient you are bypassing the primary definition to a lower “ informal” usage you mean.

Interesting. A very deep and well-argued post.

Yes that may be, but that's not what's being debated with assisted dying.

Not RTWFT yet but, people with depression tend to top themselves if they are so determined/inclined etc - this is for people who can’t necessarily do the actual job themselves but have made their minds up due to terminal diagnoses.

Which is easily the most vile comment I've ever read on MN. You do realise you are actually talking to people who have recently witnessed loved ones going through these situations we described. Not some bullshit hypothetical possibility of a 'suggestion' to die a bit earlier. Actual fucking PTSD causing trauma. And you have the audacity to claim it's "selfish".

In Australia. Had voluntary assisted dying here since 2023. Seems to be working quite well. No one else is able to do it for you, you have to request it yourself, you can’t request it in advance (e.g. if you were to try and request doing it in the future if you get dementia), you even have to administer the substance yourself. You have to have decision making capacity etc. and have a terminal illness. Of course, an appropriately funded palliative care system would perhaps reduce the need somewhat, but there’s always going to be people that want to do it, and the system facilitates that. Having worked in healthcare for 25 years, I would rather have the option.

My family received excellent palliative care dying. In the UK and abroad. NHS provided. Privately provided. And family provided.

One died in the hospice, another the hospital but mostly at home as per their choice. It didn't stop them from suffering. Some suffering terribly.

I have no idea how you can be so cruel and dismissive of the real experiences of others in order to defend your hypothetical victims. But I understand that for some, hypothetical victims will always be preferable to real life victims of suffering.

That's really not a good argument that palliative care doesn't work in most cases. It's a vague and emotive anecdote.

What happens is someone with dementia is in pain and distress? And how about if someone isn't physically capable of administering the drugs themselves?

It's interesting because I think you're cruel. You don't seem to care that coerced people may lose their lives or that this bill is ever expanded.