To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

it’s not the SNP leading this. The Bill has been brought forward by a Liberal Democrat,
All parties gave their MSPs a free vote. Nicola Sturgeon, John Swinney and
Humza Yousaf voted against the general principles of the Bill on Tuesday night….although others did vote for it.But that was the same for all parties.
its one of the most important issues Holyrood will consider, yet some people can’t get a few basic facts right.

Commit suicide and leave a body for someone to find? Or do it in a way that is traumatising for other people?

Well the bill hasn't passed so they can't. However they can refuse further treatment and be made comfortable with good palliative care until they pass.

Even you say "various" situations, so no, not necessarily in control of my own death. And I am well aware of the limitations of a living will and how impossible it is for it to cover all eventualities. If it was as good as you say, then we would not even be having this discussion.

Not everyone has good palliative care.

Why would it be traumatising? Surely it's no more traumatising than assisted suicide. They can let their families know what they're doing.

Well one day it seems there may be a third option for people.

Let's hope not.

I meant traumatising as in someone going under a train or leaping off a car park.
Both very messy and not dignified at all.

Which is the point I've been continuously making.

"Just off to hang myself in the garage kids - I'd give it a few minutes if I were you"

They aren't the only suicide options.

Copied from @ArabellaScott on another thread (my bold):

The issue is likely to have the most impact on women:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/25/assisted-dying-is-sexist-report-finds/

https://archive.ph/IbjF2

'The Other Half analysed data from 100 of these killings in the UK and found that “despite claims…‘mercy killings’ are not the wanted, ‘hastened’ deaths that need assisted dying” but instead “are overwhelmingly violent domestic homicides of women, by men: and show that our society is still poor at detecting and responding to domestic abuse”.

Of the 100 UK “mercy killings” over 25 years, the report found that 88 per cent of perpetrators were male, and 78 per cent of female victims were neither terminally ill nor willing to die but were often elderly, disabled or infirm.'

I doubt that would happen.

Yet you've still not answered what your solution would be for those really horrific end of life situations.

I take it you've never watched someone you love truely suffer as you watch them die. Because there is no way you could be this heartless if you had.

I know. I am under crisis team right now and trying not to think about all the ways I could dispatch myself

@grapesandmelon Torture is when someone causes pain intentionally.

If you are dying and in pain, that is terrible but it is not torture. Nature is often cruel. We should certainly use modern medicine to try to ease your suffering. You should have a right to good painkillers etc.

However, we shouldn't intentionally let other people die in order to save you from suffering. Based on what had happened in countries like the Netherlands and Canada, we know that legalising euthanasia will lead to some people being coerced into dying. I don't think you or anyone else has the right to demand that.

The fact you think it matters how long someone has left to live and dismiss the value of their life is, frankly, alarming. Is it ok if I murder your grandmother then?

People don't seem to care. Abuse was described here as:

someone feeling a bit sad and persuaded to kill themselves after a few dropped hints.

Literature from the past 5 years confirms that physicians are less likely to experience pressure to perform assisted dying from the patient (29%) than from their relatives (34%)

If it’s far more will benefit and only a few being coerced, then you’d expect that the incidence of pressure from the patient would be a much higher % than pressure from relatives on the doctor responsible.
https://bmcprimcare.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12875-019-1067-8#Sec6

The study also raises points of the psychological stress and trauma that assisted dying places on the doctors themselves.
“Physicians were asked how they felt after having performed EAS. They could choose from a range of feelings that could be labelled as comfortable and uncomfortable feelings. Physicians could experience both at the same time. Of the 245 physicians who granted the EAS request, 66.7% reported comfortable feelings after having performed EAS (Table 4). This mostly concerned a feeling of satisfaction. Simultaneously, 80.0% reported feelings of discomfort: 49.6% of the physicians experienced it as burdensome, 45.8% as a heavy responsibility and 44.2% as emotional. The majority of the physicians (62.2%) did not seek support afterwards. Of the physicians who did (37.8%), most sought support from colleagues or from relatives.”
“Concerns about the emotional burden of preparing EAS and performing EAS were reported by around 50% of both the physicians who reported on a refused request and the physicians who reported on a granted request.”

No it wasn't.

Could you explain what was meant please?

No I can't - go back and read the whole thread of quotes that you then replied to. Then tell me what abuse I trivialised.

I'm concerned about anyone being coerced into killing themselves. I find it heartbreaking thinking of the people in Canada, the Netherlands etc that this has already happened to.

You don't seem to spare a single shred of sympathy for them.

Why do you assume any UK thing about this will be the same?

Right well we dont have legal assisted dying in the UK yet so that's all a bit irrelevant. But yes violent homicide and domestic abuse is more likely to be committed against women by men.