To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

I'm genuinely curious as to why this person is worried their close loved ones would turn against them in their hour of need. I've had discussions with my family members about our wishes for when the time comes and I have no reason to doubt their intentions. Pretty sad if you dont even trust your loved ones to look after you in your final days.

and again palliative care does not cannot ease everything unless you include the person being under heavy narcotics and intubated.

Let me simplify it for you.

Are you that worried your loved ones are going to drag you to be euthanised?

As long as it’s well thought out then I think long term, diagnosed mental illness should be one of the chronic health conditions that someone could choose to end their life over. Honestly until you’ve had a chronic health condition you don’t know how freeing it is to think that one day it will all be over and you’ll be free of it.

I don't think they are worried about it specifically happening to them, they're concerned about the effects for people who are unfortunate enough to be in that situation.

None of my family were capable of jumping off a bridge when they wanted to die.

People shouldn't have to choose between jumping off a bridge to prematurely die, traumatising their family, car/train drivers, the emergency services etc. Or a longer life with a peaceful, timely, welcome death.

That's the law as it stands. It needs changed.

I'm sickened at your dismissiveness. Maybe you didn't mean it to come across that way, but it did.

On an individual level and if we could trust the system to behave in a humanitarian way I believe it is a good thing, I really don't want to linger in pain should that be the end I face, however like a previous poster I read a very leg thy article on what has happened in Canada and its a shocking read. People who don't have enough savings for comfortable retirement taking assisted dying, a woman injured chronically in military service offered assisted dying when she went for aid, tons of stories like that and legal too.

Can you be certain that absolutely every future member of your family (unborn children, future spouses etc) will never be abusive?

I believe that while some people are more susceptible than others, anyone could be unlucky enough to end up in an abusive relationship.

That means that my children, when they're grown, might end up in a toxic relationship and being pressured into things that they would never want.

Or it could happen to a cousin. Or my friend's kids. Or a neighbour. Or a stranger on the street.

I don't think either my or your desire for a death on our exact terms gives us the right to put a single other person in danger.

I was making the point that people care and love their pets and wish to end their suffering as humanely as possible. The same rules apply to humans you love and care for. People who don't have loved ones are more in danger of course they are but if those people are suffering so badly, only have 6 months to live and face agony then I suspect those people might very well still wish assisted dying regardless of there being a relative suggesting it to get their hands on their money.

That depends on the individual case. You can't make sweeping generalisations. Not everyone with a terminal illness is paralysed and vomiting faeces as people keep claiming.

Good palliative care can keep you pain free and peaceful.

Can't see anywhere on that list of links about whether doctors disagree that palliative care is not effective in lots of cases. Almost all of it is nothing to do with palliative care.

Is there anywhere that mentions that? In which case please link directly to it.

Interestingly, number two says in its blurb "Access to high quality palliative care is inadequate for most people" which is probably not helping your argument here.

I did not say that refusing treatment prolonged death - just that it probably led to a more painful one.

And yet again you throw around suicide as an 'option'. Except it isn't for quite a lot of people in this kind of situation, as has already been pointed out.

Instead of worrying about the, "what is", why don't we think about ending the abuse of terminal patients and letting them choose to end their pain and suffering now?

You can make 'Living Wills', you know. You can decide FOR YOURSELF, in advance, that if you become terminally ill and pain relief isn't working well any more, you receive no further treatment. Or (my choice) you receive maximum pain relief but no food or other life-prolonging administrations.

I don't want anyone authorised to kill me, thanks. I've authorised my brother to confirm what it says in my advance decision. This is my choice, already made.

I'd look more kindly on a law requiring everyone to make an advance decision than on a law to legitimise murder.

And for the people who know it wont be peaceful, they should have the choice to avoid that suffering.
Your last day in this world should not be your worst.

And they don't have to choose assisted dying. But the ones bleeding from the eyes, vomiting faeces and a number of truely horrific symptoms faced at the end of life CAN choose to.

Its exactly what they said, they said they dont want them or their loved ones in danger so others can choose the death they want

Why was my post saying you can go buy drugs and slip away any time you want to because suicide is legal deleted and called “dramatic” in response to the very first post on the thread:

“Biker47 · Yesterday 07:44
Hope it comes into law, I'd rather not have to blow the top of my head of with a shotgun if I felt the need to end my life due to illness, would much rather take a concoction of drugs and slip away.”

?? So a poster saying without assisted dying they would have to “blow the top of my head off with a shotgun” is ok, ??

Hyperbole and a vivid descriptions of violent suicide is ok in a post that supports assisted dying, but my post saying you do not need an assisted dying law to avoid shooting yourself, you can slip away peacefully with drugs even if the law is not passed because suicide is legal- why delete mine and leave theirs up?

That's great that you get what you choose for yourself. Happy for you.

Can you please agree to let me have what I choose for myself? Thanks.

But it's not a "what if". It has happened and is happening to real people in Canada and other countries.

Again, why does your desire to avoid a painful death (which I completely understand and most people share) outweigh a vulnerable person's need to not be killed prematurely?

Do really think that anyone with reservations is lacking in humanity? I just don't think it's anywhere near as black and white as that. What I do find somewhat disturbing is people who seem to see it entirely from their own perspective. And as though the whole thing is just an insignificant little issue.

good palliative care can keep SOME people painfree and peaceful. By no means all.

Nope, because what you choose for yourself is a law allowing someone to murder you.

If it's law for you and your murderer, it's law for everyone else.

Why not take responsibility for your own life?

I have read about the thing in Canada where a wheelchair user wanted a ramp put into their property and they were offered euthanasia.

Why do we think that is what will happen here?

Yes. I don't want my loved ones or anyone else in danger.

Assisted suicide is someone being handed the drugs to take their own life. They do it on their terms. No murder.