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To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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MyLimeGuide · 14/05/2025 07:41

In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

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Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:30

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:24

An animal doesn't have capacity therefore we make a decision for them.

So if your against assisted dying then you should keep the animal alive. But there is a good reason many people make the decision to put the suffering animal out of its misery.

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:30

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:25

Can you show me the study that says good palliative care is not effective in a lot of cases? Doctors seem to disagree.

You can refuse treatment and you can end your own life.

First you can you show me your study where doctors disagree.

Refuse treatment - You what? That's not an alternative is it. That almost certainly leads to an even more painful death.

Suicide - already covered

Anything else?

XenoBitch · 15/05/2025 21:31

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:24

An animal doesn't have capacity therefore we make a decision for them.

And a person with capacity who is begging for help is left to suffer. Why?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:32

XenoBitch · 15/05/2025 21:31

And a person with capacity who is begging for help is left to suffer. Why?

If they were given good palliative care which is rare, they may not be.

XenoBitch · 15/05/2025 21:35

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:32

If they were given good palliative care which is rare, they may not be.

And palliative care can not ease all suffering.
People vomiting their own shit up?
You can offer terminal sedation, but who is that for? The patient, or the people around their bed?

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:35

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:29

Do you have the evidence requested in the post?

Yes the fact its being debated and discussed with many doctors in favour of assisted dying. Its happening and for a reason.

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:36

MrsSkylerWhite · 15/05/2025 21:12

I disagree with you.

I want dignity in old age. I do not want to crawl towards death as each faculty and biological process deserts me.

Who on earth are you to say I can’t choose that?

You can absolutely choose that. Suicide has always been an option. What I'm saying is that you don't have the right to put me and my loved ones at risk so that you can have the exact death you want.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:37

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:35

Yes the fact its being debated and discussed with many doctors in favour of assisted dying. Its happening and for a reason.

That's not evidence.

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:38

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:30

So if your against assisted dying then you should keep the animal alive. But there is a good reason many people make the decision to put the suffering animal out of its misery.

I put more value on a human life than on an animals.

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:38

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:36

You can absolutely choose that. Suicide has always been an option. What I'm saying is that you don't have the right to put me and my loved ones at risk so that you can have the exact death you want.

And who will you and your loved ones be at risk from? Are you vulnerable? Are they vulnerable? Are you aware of predators and gold diggers in your close family?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:38

XenoBitch · 15/05/2025 21:35

And palliative care can not ease all suffering.
People vomiting their own shit up?
You can offer terminal sedation, but who is that for? The patient, or the people around their bed?

No palliative care cannot ease all suffering and I didn't say it did. I said it was an option. Sedation is certainly an option.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:39

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:30

First you can you show me your study where doctors disagree.

Refuse treatment - You what? That's not an alternative is it. That almost certainly leads to an even more painful death.

Suicide - already covered

Anything else?

Here's some information:
https://ourdutyofcare.org.uk/article/10-papers-everyone-should-read-about-assisted-dying/

Please provide the evidence requested.

Refusing treatment would mean death is not prolonged. In some cases treatment can be very uncomfortable.

And yes, suicide is an option.

10 papers everyone should read about 'Assisted Dying' – Our Duty of Care

1.  Palliative Medicine doctors look after those who are terminally ill, providing symptom relief for pain and other difficult symptoms, psychological, social and emotional support.  A recent survey found 95% would refuse to prescribe lethal medication...

https://ourdutyofcare.org.uk/article/10-papers-everyone-should-read-about-assisted-dying/

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:40

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:38

And who will you and your loved ones be at risk from? Are you vulnerable? Are they vulnerable? Are you aware of predators and gold diggers in your close family?

We never know what the future holds. Physical and emotional abuse can happen to anyone.

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:40

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:38

I put more value on a human life than on an animals.

Ok in that case make the useless not so worthy animal suffer then.

I choose not to and if I had a choice I wouldnt have my loved ones suffer either.

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:41

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:40

We never know what the future holds. Physical and emotional abuse can happen to anyone.

Yeah but who from? Do you think your loved ones would turn against you when you are dying?

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/05/2025 21:43

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 20:51

And for those for whom it isn't a choice?

If it isn't a choice it isn't legal.

Totallymessed · 15/05/2025 21:43

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:41

Yeah but who from? Do you think your loved ones would turn against you when you are dying?

I don't understand the point you're trying to argue here. Are you incapable of seeing a situation from a perspective different to your own?

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:44

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:37

That's not evidence.

Yes it is. It's the doctors speaking up. They do disagree. Not all of course.

Digdongdoo · 15/05/2025 21:45

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:38

I put more value on a human life than on an animals.

Why would you force suffering upon the thing you value more?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/05/2025 21:45

Bloody hell.

Some posters seem to lack any humanity and are not afraid to show it.

Totallymessed · 15/05/2025 21:46

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/05/2025 21:45

Bloody hell.

Some posters seem to lack any humanity and are not afraid to show it.

Who are you referring to?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:47

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/05/2025 21:43

If it isn't a choice it isn't legal.

We're talking about the assisted suicide bill.

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:48

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:40

Ok in that case make the useless not so worthy animal suffer then.

I choose not to and if I had a choice I wouldnt have my loved ones suffer either.

I like animals, so I would (and have) put a dog to sleep to spare them suffering. I also know that many irresponsible owners put their dogs down for their own personal convenience. However, on the whole, I agree that it should be legal to put an animal to sleep even though it means other animals die unnecessarily.

I place much more value on a human life and so the cost of an innocent human dying unnecessarily is much much higher. I therefore don't think it should be legal to euthanise a a human if it means other humans will die unnecessarily.

I really don't understand why that's so difficult for you to understand. Humans and animals aren't treated the same (it's not legal to eat humans for starters) so I don't see the point in using them as a comparison or as a justification for our treatment of fellow humans.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/05/2025 21:48

To whoever is posting like this.

Why?

Who do you think I’m referring to?

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:48

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:44

Yes it is. It's the doctors speaking up. They do disagree. Not all of course.

Evidence would be for example, studies showing that good palliative care is not effective in the majority of cases.

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