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To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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MyLimeGuide · 14/05/2025 07:41

In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:14

grapesandmelon · 15/05/2025 21:13

Do you not consider it abuse to force substantial prolonged pain and suffering while waiting for death? Isn't it abuse to repeatedly refuse to stop the pain and suffering?

It's not abuse for people to die naturally. It is abuse to pressure someone to die unnaturally.

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:15

Thatsalineallright · 15/05/2025 21:07

If they are certain they want to die, suicide is legal. It also has the benefit of not involving the government in legalised killing and not putting vulnerable people at risk.

If we are talking about coercion because someone wants another person dead you do realise the same rules could apply with normal suicide. Dropping hints, making the person feel like a burden, coercion, abuse, etc etc etc. And it would be even more difficult with medical assisted suicide as you would need to convince the medical professionals too.

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:15

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:14

It's not abuse for people to die naturally. It is abuse to pressure someone to die unnaturally.

It's also abuse to force someone to die painfully when they don't want to.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:16

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:13

What dropped hints? What are you talking about?

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Thelnebriati · 15/05/2025 21:17

We should each be able to make our own choice - but it should be a choice freely made.
We wouldn't allow animals to suffer the way we let some people die.

grapesandmelon · 15/05/2025 21:17

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:14

It's not abuse for people to die naturally. It is abuse to pressure someone to die unnaturally.

But modern medicine forces people to die unnaturally. To get to the point of "dying naturally" is completely unnatural!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:18

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:15

It's also abuse to force someone to die painfully when they don't want to.

It's fine to refuse treatment, to ask for palliative care and to take your own life.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:18

grapesandmelon · 15/05/2025 21:17

But modern medicine forces people to die unnaturally. To get to the point of "dying naturally" is completely unnatural!

Someone dying from natural causes as opposed to killed.

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:19

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:18

It's fine to refuse treatment, to ask for palliative care and to take your own life.

And it's also ok to ask for the assisted dying option too then, when it exists.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:19

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:14

Maybe you should read the full quote thread before replying to a comment?

I have read the post. You appear to be referring to some made up scenario. I'm asking you to clarify what you mean.

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:20

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:18

It's fine to refuse treatment, to ask for palliative care and to take your own life.

What if you can't take your own life? You do realise that committing suicide on your own, even when you are physically able to, is not an easy thing to do? If only you could ask someone to help you........

XenoBitch · 15/05/2025 21:21

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:18

Someone dying from natural causes as opposed to killed.

Our pets don't often die from natural causes. We make the decision for them so they are not suffering.

What is cruel is a human that is suffering that is asking for it to end. And we tell them no... sorry, can't help you.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:22

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:20

What if you can't take your own life? You do realise that committing suicide on your own, even when you are physically able to, is not an easy thing to do? If only you could ask someone to help you........

It's an available option. You're acting as though there is no other option. I have given other options.

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:22

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:19

I have read the post. You appear to be referring to some made up scenario. I'm asking you to clarify what you mean.

The post where someone else mentioned 'dropping hints' that I was replying to? It seems quite clear to me - not sure what there is to clarify tbh.

grapesandmelon · 15/05/2025 21:23

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:18

It's fine to refuse treatment, to ask for palliative care and to take your own life.

How do you not get it???

My loved one had a neurological disorder which meant his nerves completely shut down. He was on a ventilator so couldn't talk, only nod or shake his head. He couldn't blink so started bleeding from his eyes. He had full capacity but unable to do a single thing. How does palliative care fix that? How could he refuse treatment? How could he take his own life?

We knew he hated dying like that. We spoke many times previously about not wanting to end up like that (though never even contemplated bleeding from the eyes...that was extreme). Keeping him alive the last few weeks was abuse.

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:23

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:22

It's an available option. You're acting as though there is no other option. I have given other options.

What other options? You mentioned palliative care but everyone knows that this doesn't work in quite a lot of cases. What else?

ParkHse86 · 15/05/2025 21:23

If you asked me a couple of years ago, I would have always said I 100% agree with assisted dying but I didn't appreciate the risks it brings.

Pru Leith and her son who are opposed on this subject did a documentary and it was so scary how this ruling can be abused by people. It's an interesting watch.

If they make it legal, I think there would need to be so many procedures and processes to follow to ensure it isn't happening for any other reason than someone who is in pain / terminally ill / agrees / has capacity to agree, etc.

There was a horrifying clip in the documentary of a doctor (I think in the states) encouraging a reasonably healthy (certainly no where close to dying) man to go ahead with euthanasia.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:24

XenoBitch · 15/05/2025 21:21

Our pets don't often die from natural causes. We make the decision for them so they are not suffering.

What is cruel is a human that is suffering that is asking for it to end. And we tell them no... sorry, can't help you.

An animal doesn't have capacity therefore we make a decision for them.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 15/05/2025 21:25

SunnieShine · 14/05/2025 07:50

I would like to able to decide for myself when it's time to go. Many would.

So would I. People with cancer are forced to endure awful pain because sufficient morphine would hasten their death. This happened not long ago to a friend of ours with prostate cancer which had spread to his spine. This happened to be in Australia, but no doubt the same happens here.
We are much more merciful to animals.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:25

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:23

What other options? You mentioned palliative care but everyone knows that this doesn't work in quite a lot of cases. What else?

Can you show me the study that says good palliative care is not effective in a lot of cases? Doctors seem to disagree.

You can refuse treatment and you can end your own life.

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:26

ParkHse86 · 15/05/2025 21:23

If you asked me a couple of years ago, I would have always said I 100% agree with assisted dying but I didn't appreciate the risks it brings.

Pru Leith and her son who are opposed on this subject did a documentary and it was so scary how this ruling can be abused by people. It's an interesting watch.

If they make it legal, I think there would need to be so many procedures and processes to follow to ensure it isn't happening for any other reason than someone who is in pain / terminally ill / agrees / has capacity to agree, etc.

There was a horrifying clip in the documentary of a doctor (I think in the states) encouraging a reasonably healthy (certainly no where close to dying) man to go ahead with euthanasia.

But do also watch arguments for the other side too. Of course there will always be scare stories out there.

grapesandmelon · 15/05/2025 21:26

OnlyDespairRemains · 15/05/2025 21:20

What if you can't take your own life? You do realise that committing suicide on your own, even when you are physically able to, is not an easy thing to do? If only you could ask someone to help you........

And in cases like these, it would mean you wouldn't be able to have your loved ones around you as you pass because they'd risk inprisonment just for showing their love.

IShouldNotCoco · 15/05/2025 21:26

YANBU. A lot of the people wanting to die by suicide (and succeeding) have mental illness.

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:27

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:25

Can you show me the study that says good palliative care is not effective in a lot of cases? Doctors seem to disagree.

You can refuse treatment and you can end your own life.

Well that's the whole point isnt it- a lot of doctors do disagree and wish assisted dying. And as it stands doctors are using the methods currently available, at the moment there is no other choice.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/05/2025 21:29

Tarrybankheidi · 15/05/2025 21:27

Well that's the whole point isnt it- a lot of doctors do disagree and wish assisted dying. And as it stands doctors are using the methods currently available, at the moment there is no other choice.

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