To think voting for assisted dying legalisation could be a huge mistake???

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In Scotland they are voting to legalise assisted dying. Looking likely to pass. I am worried this will come to England now. Kier is already proving he doesn't care about old and disabled people so this scares me.
Obviously there are 2 sides but how can people be so ignorant? If passed this could be one of the biggest opportunity for corrupt evil behaviour of saving money on the NHS, care, people literally getting away murder, playing god! No not good. It's so scary.

It's legal to take your own life.

Is murder only a problem if it's painful? So if I murder you in a painless manner, then that's ok? You and your loved ones wouldn't suffer?

And for those for whom it isn't a choice?

Just how many people do you think are unable to say no to killing themselves when someone asks them to? Remember they would at the same time have to be assessed by an independent person to be of sound mind too.

How many is too many?

Sure, and everyone can jump off a bridge if that's what they decide.

But assisted dying means you're getting other people to kill you. Then it's not just "their lives, their choice" but surely also the choices of everyone involved that matters. Once you invoice others in your death, it stops being just a personal decision and becomes a societal one.

Nice try, but that’s not what I said at all is it. You mentioned suffering. If you die painlessly then by definition you did not suffer.

And the relatives and loved ones in this case - either they are the ones who persuaded them to end their life early (so no suffering there presumably) or weren’t really paying attention when someone else was (so how much did they really care?).

I asked first.

If a stranger walks up to you, sure you can say no. If your children have been dropping hints for years that they find looking after you a burden, if the government is reducing your pension and you're close to destitute, if old age becomes even more shameful than it already is in our society, then I can well imagine people choosing assisted dying.

True but at the end they would not be able to do it independently while still retaining full mental capacity. Do you think they should kill themselves while they still can?

I'm not the pp, but personally I think even 1 is too many. Life is precious and I definitely wouldn't want to end up as that person being pressured into dying one day. If I wouldn't want that for myself, how can I expect someone else to bear the cost so that I can have the peaceful death I want?

try having one of the more horrible neuro diseases, KNOWING what awaits you and how horrific its going to be

If you're clear what is going to happen to you and know well in advance, it's legal to take your own life.

If they are certain they want to die, suicide is legal. It also has the benefit of not involving the government in legalised killing and not putting vulnerable people at risk.

and again I ask. Does that mean that you think they should kill themselves while they still can? Because as I said, the neuro diseases often leave people with no control over their bodies while retaining full capacity

I know it is the case with Dignitas is that you have to administer the drugs yourself.

Terry Pratchett did a documentary on it years ago where it did show someone use the service there. At that time the drugs were given in the form of a drink. He did ask for water but he was asleep within seconds after that, and there was a chance he would have aspirated it and be caused distress in his final moments.

There are a few films on YouTube about it now. I saw one recently where a lady with MS went to Dignitas. Her passing was so peaceful. The drugs were given via a drip and she had to open the release valve herself.

I would imagine if assisted dying comes to the UK then a similar rule would apply... you have to do it yourself. It can't be murder if you are doing it yourself.

And regarding MH issues and assisted dying. I knew someone who was refused Dignitas as he had previously been sectioned. He was wanting to go there for physical health reasons. It might be different now.

Its legal but unpleasant and difficult.

I'm probably on the more extreme end of the spectrum compared to most because I'm in favour of elective euthanasia - but I also think that any legislation needs to be robust in terms of safeguarding. I've been horrified by the way the proposed legislation is being handled.

Are you forgetting that they would also have had to have been diagnosed with a terminal illness with less than six months to live?

Sorry, but I'm not willing to suffer a potentially awful and degrading death (or watch someone I love suffer it) just because someone is feeling a bit sad and is persuaded to kill themselves after a few dropped hints.

How else are they going to do it? I'm not sure how much clearer I can be.

Are you usually so dismissive of abuse?

So 1 is too many on one side of the coin but all the many other people needlessly suffering on the flip side isnt too many.

Abuse? Since when are 'dropped hints' abuse?

I disagree with you.

I want dignity in old age. I do not want to crawl towards death as each faculty and biological process deserts me.

Who on earth are you to say I can’t choose that?

Do you not consider it abuse to force substantial prolonged pain and suffering while waiting for death? Isn't it abuse to repeatedly refuse to stop the pain and suffering?

What dropped hints? What are you talking about?

Maybe you should read the full quote thread before replying to a comment?