To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

I’m an immigrant myself and I can’t lie, I was a bit surprised by the… choice of words in his speech.

I guess with elections anything goes.

Well anyone who knows me knows I don’t have a #bekind persona so that’s a daft insult.

It’s obvious what’s wrong with ‘island of strangers’- ‘strangers’ divides and alienates further and a ‘stranger’ means less to a person than a ‘non- stranger’

How Starmer thinks cutting care worker immigrants is a good idea, I just don't understand.

He probably doesn't but much of the general public seem to struggle with the idea that we have an ageing population & ignore the associated financial implications of that. We have primary schools closing or merging & yet some still think people are having too many babies 🤷🏻‍♀️

He’s a cunt but not for reasons you mention. He’s a cunt cause he doesn’t mean a single word of it but realises this will lose Labour the next 10 elections.

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on..

And I say that as a white working class person living in an area full of immigrants.

He doesn't speak for me.

And he’s only just worked out women DON’T have penises.

Come on. You know what you wrote is a just a word salad.

Stranger simply means someone you don’t know.

Of course, you are less likely to ever be more than a stranger to people around you, if you don’t speak the language of the land, live by the same customs, or segregate yourself in a ghettoized part of town. None of that is an insult. It’s a reality of mass migration.

He, like Boris, is a politician who looks to see which direction everyone else is running, then catches a taxi to the front. He is no more principled than Trump, Farage or Johnson. This is why we are where we are. Self serving egotists pursing power and prestige.

He had to be told that too.

The age old when in public service - ‘you can't please everyone, all of the time’.

Labour have picked up a mess, at least the White Paper is well researched and includes evidenced data of the sh*tshow they have inherited.

I almost wish the Conservatives had stayed on to take the flak and sort it out.…or perhaps (no policy) Reform should be elected to sort the mess out.
Yeh, come on Nigel…

You really are talking shite that seems to all be based on weird takes from GB News/ The Daily Mail. ‘Elites, liberal bubbles, intolerant lefties who try to police people’ … none of this stuff really exists outside of the fevered minds of people like Melanie Phillips

Why do we assume the spouse won’t be a net contributor?
Presumably they are an adult, so their full education has been already paid in their country of origin, and if they married a Brit they are more likely to integrate.
Also, I thought the discourse was about the problem with illegal immigration, specially young single men.
Why so hostile to that person?

The thing I find hilarious about the whole debate is that lots of people - Farage and a fair amount of mumsnet included - highlight the need for reproduction for an ageing population, pointing out that with a declining birth rate there will be no one to pay into the tax system when they're older. Then they simultaneously claim the country is too full... Surely they can't have it both ways. Or maybe they only want one kind of person reproducing...,

I wonder how many all nighters his team of scriptwriters had to pull to come up with that steaming pile of drivel.

As a bonus, delivered with all the poise and elan of a syphilitic goat.

He's almost Elon Musk level of awkward. Makes me squirm.

Well you’ve just perfectly illustrated why the word ‘stranger’ is a dog whistle

What’s your point? Whether you are a leftie or not it irrelevant. Mass uncontrolled Immigration stopped being the favour of month. And that can only be a good thing

Describes the British immigrants ( sorry expats!) on the Spanish Costa’s!

I’d say you managed to be a better writer in five seconds with that post than those all nighters.

Completely agree, I’m very pro immigration though.

One of my students wears a pin badge that says ‘keep the immigrants, deport the racists’ and I couldn’t agree more.

You still have managed to explain what he said wrong? Regurgitating cliches from the guardian dictionary doesn’t an argument make.

At no point did that comment refer to British immigration specifically, that poster could have meant they can’t move to their partner’s country due to visa restrictions, therefore an example of how immigration is complicated and affects families.

Doesn’t know his arse from his elbow from his lady-penis

Agree would be great if the private care homes decide to pay their British workers a decent pay rise instead of keeping profits to themselves but they won’t will they ?

I really wanna see this happen lol I’m sure it will go down well with the chronically unemployed

I think they can in many cases. It's probably too strict, based on people I've spoken to, but there can also be legitimate reasons people are refused.