To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

Don't pretend to be naive. You know exactly what that poster means. And she's 100% right.

DWP also pay millions on an interpreter contract, giving advice on claiming to non-English speaking benefit claimants.

So do you deserve to be here? Would you kick yourself out?

Trevor Phillips did a film about this a while ago - about the way communities remained segregated, even though they might work in an integrated setting. I think he saw it as a real failure of the policies he brought in.

Or many parts of Birmingham. Sparkhill and Sparkbrook. A friend of mine moved out and she almost cries when she sees what it has become.

Excellent post

Well this will stop now.

James O'brien sketch…

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@Wowwee1234 - "Except 'most' people don't think like racists..."

I used to think the same as you - until I got to know more people who weren't in my immediate circle of friends and acquaintances.

I was surprised, and now I know not everybody thinks like me...

We need to make care work more attractive for English speaking people. None of my grandma's carers spoke much English, and mistakes were made in following advice from her GP. She felt really isolated as any attempts to talk to the carers in her home were met with a smile and them talking over her in their first language. Not all the carers fault, but horrible for my grandma to not be able to communicate her needs effectively

My local town centre is over run with illegal immigrants. They are staying in the hotels, social housing and flats. All male. I don’t care what anyone else says but they all need to go. There’s been knife attacks, rapes, I went shopping with my ten year old daughter who is blonde and pretty and we got followed round the shops by a gang of them staring at her. I felt so uncomfortable I’ve not taken her shopping since. We went to get a subway too and one just walked in, stole some drinks from the self service and walked out. It’s a disgrace. There’s hundreds of them coming in every day!!! So unless you have first hand experience of your town being taken over by men with no paperwork, morals and god knows what intentions, do not even try to justify it!!

Some cultures don't allow women to work outside the home.

This. ^

Thatcher will be smiling up at him.

And this! ^

In my grandson's class, he was one of a very few whose 1st language was English. That's bound to have had an effect on his education ......

We have a duty to look after our citizens, and I’m proud to live in a welfare state. But we have to limit immigration and recognise it’s gone too far with the most vulnerable being affected. A good society should always prioritise the most vulnerable

This is probably the first sensible thing that’s come out of his mouth since being elected.

Theres a massive issue re immigration and integration.

Addressing this issue will only be partly solved by reducing the people coming in as students or carers etc.

We also need to addrsss the lack of integration of people already here. We need to be very firm that British culture/way of life comes first. Multiculturalism simply doesn’t work..

This just places people (women) in a more vulnerable position

@Thegreyhound Those who do not share our values - what do you mean.

They mean those who come from places where the culture believes women must be obedient, modest and preferably silent. Where it is acceptable to beat women who do not conform to this expectation.

They have grown up and been socialised with this attitude - it does not change when they arrive here and therefore they view women who do not fit this pattern in a negative way.

They do not share our values of tolerance for other people's beliefs, their right to hold them and express them or for women's right to wear whatever they choose to wear.

I think he's wrong to try to take on Reform at their own bigoted game, because he will never outdo them in racism. I also don't understand why he is targeting legal immigration which we obviously need, rather than illegal immigration which is what bothers people most anyway.

What is the issue with Bradford? Educate me. I know there is a large population with Pakistani heritage there but they’ve been there since the 70s, I thought. The men and younger women generally work. Am I wrong? There is a population of older women who don’t speak English who’ve never worked but that’s because they stayed home to bring up their children at a time when it was possible and more common generally for families to live on one income.

I thought it was places like farming communities in Lincolnshire where there was a rapid influx of Eastern Europeans where there were tensions. Local people blamed poor public services on the large increase in new arrivals. Firstly, I think this time of situation was settling down even before Brexit. Secondly, Brexit means it is no longer an issue. Thirdly, I’ve never heard Eastern Europeans being accused of not learning English and not integrating. They had a reputation as hardworking, reliable workers, so I guess this isn’t the population being complained about.

I’m not going to discuss whether the perception that the country is being swamped by immigrants is accurate or not. It’s how people feel when they hear about small boats laden with people arriving daily and hear discussion of the cost of housing these people. The U.K. was previously insulated from unregulated immigration by the English Channel until the people-traffickers got bold so I guess the small boat phenomenon is a shock to many Brits, even though this is a small fraction of what many other countries experience.

One last point. We now live in a global society. The U.K. can’t go and intervene in other countries, destabilise them, then withdraw and expect no comeback. I support every Iraqi and Afghan who turns up on these shores by whatever means. This country left those countries in a mess so why shouldn’t they come here looking for a better life?

Bradford is an incredibly beautiful but deprived city with high rates of poverty, and 50% child poverty rates in some areas. Putting more people on the country and speeding the spending more thinly puts these vulnerable communities at risk. The high immigration communities are also difficult for services to engage with, and that puts a bigger strain on everything. Not to mention, because of the culture of many immigrants settling there, there’s a higher risk of child marriage, cousin marriages and trafficking and abuse of women. It might be uncomfortable to hear but it’s true.

@Alwaysinamood What you are describing there is cultural enrichment. Those poor, destitute men are simply fleeing persecution. You should pity them.
They are the future carers and doctors this country so desperately needs. They will soon be net contributors to our society, as will the 400 undocumented illegal immigrants, sorry, asylum seekers, who landed this morning, and the hundreds who land tomorrow, and the hundreds who land on Wednesday, and on Thursday, etc infinitum.
Now suck it up and stop with the bigotry.