To think Starmer is utterly reprehensible

[Thegreyhound]

I know everyone will disagree, that’s ok- But I just have to say that Starmer today seems to have sunk lower than I ever believed he would with his incendiary ‘island of strangers’ and ‘incalculable damage’ rhetoric.
I find it particularly shocking because he has calculated this and decided it’s worth it to throw immigrants under the bus and essentially give all the ground in the debate to Farage, Tommy Robinson and Enoch Powell types.
Policy can be altered without making statements that are designed to impact race relations and make life even more difficult for people who are just trying to get along and make a living here.
Starmer is vile. This country does indeed feel like an island of strangers these days but the strangers are not the immigrants :(

I was replying to a quote by a person in the same situation as me. It is a thread about immigration and the new rules. If I were to move back, my DH would be an immigrant and the new rules mean that we can’t. Thus meaning I can’t come home. Is that ok for you???? 🙄

They do not share our values of tolerance for other people's beliefs, their right to hold them and express them

So we want other people to tolerate our beliefs, but we don't want to tolerate theirs. Nice!

The Reform supporters can’t understand your post. You’re a Brit but have a non Brit partner and don’t live in the UK it’s all too much for them. The government has tough rules on your situation and it’s wrong.

Because I’m european born and myself and my dcs are dual nationals.

Ive lived the ‘Go back home’ shouted and me and/or my born in Britain children before. The looks if we dare speak something else than English (never mind English isn’t the only recognised language in the U.K.). The hostility. People telling me to my face that I have no right being there etc….

I dint want that back. Thank you.

Because you know what, the ‘immigrants’ that are living in the U.K. read MN too. They’re not a separate part of the population that doesn’t know what a big part of the ‘natives’ think of them.

Don’t be ridiculous. I'm not a fan of his, but he's not 'utterly reprehensible' for trying to sort out the immigration issue, which the political elites keep ignoring. It's most of the political parties who have thrown the working class under the bus in favour of cheap labour, and by continuing to ignore them & calling them bigots or racist for being sceptical about immigration levels, both legal & illegal.

@Cleo65 That's what I was thinking. Personally I don't want to hear of them cracking down on legal immigration until they get a much better handle on illegal immigration. It's easier to tell law abiding people what to do isn't it, than to sort out the issue of the numbers coming here on boats (which is currently being documented on the Gov's own website).

Who said her spouse wouldn’t be contributing?
And you realise that rules change too right?

The level is set at such that ensured that immigrants are contributing. We don’t need more low paid workers.

I’m not a reform supporter.

Seeing that amount of taxes that poster is paying where she lives , I doubt they are low skilled, low wage workers……

Does she want a medal? I pay more than her a year, does that make me a better person? Get real. Immigration needs to be controlled.

I don't think stopping migration until the housing crisis is resolved is workable. Do you include refugees in that? Climate change is going to create a lot more refugees, do we - who, as a nation are partly responsible for the climate emergency - say sorry, no room and slam the metaphorical door? Do we ensure that there is no empty stock and no air BnB/second homes and then open up migration again?
I'm not an economist but Keynes said "whatever we can do, we can afford". And we can provide decent housing and public services. It's happened in the past and those things don't currently exist because of political ideology, not because they're impossible to resource. It's a myth that the UK is the number one destination for migrants or that we take more than our share. Comparatively speaking, we host relatively few.

If she would be contributing £50k a year to the Treasury, why does it matter whether her spouse does? She’s contributing enough for both of them, especially as he’s not taking anything out.

I’m curious as to whom. My family are the product of immigrants and I have never had anyone shout that to me at all. If your children are British born then presumably they have British accents- how are they identifiable as having European parents? No one would have a clue as to my family background.

in London there is a multiple of different languages and backgrounds, particularly Europeans. Many of my children’s friends have European parents but all the children have been raised as English. I can’t imagine who would be telling you to ‘go home’ and the context of that.

The trouble with the UK is that we either beg others to come here to help us, or castigate them as unwanted immigrants.

Because it’s quite frankly not enough. Why should her husband sit at home and claim benefits?

I am not sure I understand - the spousal visa requirement is that the joint income is £29k minimum. If the PP in this thread is paying £50k in taxes on average a year and returns to the UK on a comparable salary, then there is no issue with a long term spouse, father of her child, and meeting the income threshold? As far as I can see, this person could easily bring her DH with her? Am I missing something?

He wouldn’t be claiming benefits. 🙄

Well migration and the housing crisis is a catch 22 because we do not have enough construction workers, nor enough trades. So who is going to build those houses?

Comparatively we host relatively few but we are a tiny island with limited space. We can keep building and building until every piece of grass is gone and there is no sky to see for high rise but is that a world we want to leave for future generations? I honestly get quite upset when I see old postcards of country lanes dotted with little chocolate box houses which are now spiralling main roads loaded with housing estates and we are told this is progress and I can’t help but feel- not really!

We moved to Ireland ten years ago as spouse and I didn’t have a job lined up having been working abroad, nor sufficient savings to move back to the UK. Ten years later and our business is pretty successful and we’re contributing circa €100k tax a year. We’ve since all got our Irish citizenship so could now return to live in the UK visa free but prefer to view the shitshiw from afar!

And you know this how?

Who said he was going to claim benefits? There are plenty of British nationals who are resident with a family income far less than this poster and her DH - why can't they live here too?

It’s a high bar for a British national to find work paying that here so that they can bring their non British spouse.

Why can't we train and pay people here? Why isn't the country investing in the people? Why aren't people asking would be working class how to help.
Why is it okay to trash a whole section of society.