To have not known kids have to attain grade 4 in maths?

[Pepperpotladles]

I did not know this!
I have obviously been living under a rock.
So today someone told me that if kids get grades 1, 2 or 3 in their maths GCSE, it is compulsory that all these kids have to keep on studying GCSE maths until they achieve a grade 4 or above, and they have to keep trying to achieve this up until their 25th birthday.
Is this true?!?
I can't believe my ears.
What about kids who simply can't achieve grade 4 or above in maths, for any number of reasons?

What I didn't realise is it has to be a 4 in English Language. My friend's daughter got a 6 in Literature, but a 3 in Language. She went on to do a Btec at college and had to resit English Language. She did get a 4

My eldest has an EHCP and got 3s in English and Maths. No GCSE resits, working towards an accredited English course. Nothing for maths though

@PennywisePoundFoolish some colleges and sixth forms will make students resit if they get a 4 in Literature but not in Language. However, that isn’t the condition of funding rules. If you look at the link I posted early in the thread you can see the conditions are met if a student gets a 4 in literature but not in language.

@perpetualplatespinning ah that's interesting. I think she'd applied to do a level 2, but the college said she could do a level 3, but had to do the English GCSE resit

my daughter sat the cambridge igcses which are known to be for the asian market and difficult. we looked at an edexcel exam and it didn’t compare at all but she had no choice being in an international school.
she managed to scrape a c. (cambridge still use the old style grades)
she’s gone on to get an A in A level physics which is mostly maths.

So once she completes her GCSEs she will presumably either stay in education or do an apprenticeship both of which requires a 4 or above in maths.after that it would only be an issue if a job requires it.

Some of the most clever “on paper” people I’ve known in life (who knows, maybe in future also some of the brainiac offspring of this threads sneery posters?) are those who don’t have a fucking clue how to manage their finances, how a mortgage works or what an APR is.

For most of us the stuff GCSEs test is stuff we’ll never use again.

Why is that?

What sort of a question is that? Maybe because different people’s brains memorise and process things differently. Why is it that some people are better than others at all sorts of things? What a stupid bloody post.

are you alright? every child is different. some children excel in memorisation some in critical thinking which is infact a better indicator of intelligence….. some kids have upto 25 exams to do when it comes to gcses and remembering all the formulas for not only math but also physics and chemistry is a hell of a lot. why is that? have you even got kids or ever been a teacher?

@Mangala13 if you read the thread, difficulty retaining information has been discussed. Often the reason can relate to SEN.

Yes I have children. All doing well in life. Being an engineer myself I've sat with my children for school maths, GCSE maths and A-level maths. I've helped them and taught them.

Angles in a quadrilateral - that's year 5/6 stuff.

Area of a pyramid is year 7-9 stuff.

I'd completely missed the fact people can be unable to retain stuff. Thanks for reminding me.

The school year in which you learn topics is entirely irrelevant if you have difficulty retaining information. It’s okay being smug saying you learn things in year 5/6, but for someone who has difficulty retaining information, that isn’t going to be any help to someone sitting a GCSE 5 years later in year 11. I mean, that is pretty simple. You seem to have difficulty understanding that yourself? Can you remember everything you learned in school?

@Mangala13 since you think everyone can memorise facts easily, perhaps it is something you should try harder to remember. Then you won’t continue to post in a way that demonstrates your lack of understanding.

Really?

the problem with a lot of academically “gifted” people is they often lack common sense and life skills.

Memorisation is not intelligence. It’s just showing you have a good memory.

And social awareness and empathy.

And memory isn’t just one thing. For example, someone can have an amazing long term memory but a very poor working memory.

I think people who are naturally good at maths don’t understand the concept of poor working memory, and the challenges it poses.

I’ve got a degree in maths and have a poor working memory. It can be an advantage as a maths teacher tbh because it means I write every stage of working down for them as I can’t hold it in my head.

Do you remember primary/secondary school formulas or would you need to derive them from first principles?

I’ve got a good memory for information, so I can remember formulae etc, it’s my working memory that’s poor. I can’t hold lots of numbers in my head at the same time so I’m not good at mental arithmetic but if I have a bit of paper to jot stuff down on, I’m fine. I did very well academically.

My DC is severely dyslexic, has ADHD and ASD. They got a grade 2 in GCSE English. They were told that they had to retake GCSE, I did query whether they could take functional English but was told no. Thankfully, they managed to pass 2nd time.

@Earlymornyawn some colleges make students resit GCSE rather than functional skills even if they got 2 or below. However, that isn’t the condition of funding rules as you can see from the link I posted.

One of my DC’s got a 4 in literature and a 3 in language, went on to do an extended level 3 course (equivalent 3 A levels) and did not have to resit English. They are considered to have met the conditions if they pass English Literature or Language AFAIK. I actually wish they could have retaken language but was just told that this is not necessary by the college.