9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

[Nowherecitizen]

My friend’s son was told off by a teacher at his school for referring to them as ‘Sir’. The teacher is male but identifies as non-binary.

Their title is Mx which the children are aware of. But the little boy simply looked at an adult who is visibly male and used the term Sir.

I have seen this teacher and they are 'masculine' looking but will sometimes wear a skirt and heels.

Friend’s DS felt bad and can’t recall exactly what was said to them but said the teacher was ‘very cross’.

AIBU to think this was mishandled? Surely the child should be reminded gently of the preferred identity of this adult but should not face a telling off?

What is the non-binary version of Sir anyway?

Ignore the rest of the post and just concentrate on Grayson Perry. @AllProperTeaIsTheft @WearyAuldWumman
The majority of people have worn clothes at some point have made them feel aroused or sexy, that doesn’t mean that they are a deviant which has been implied about this teacher.

I'm not sure he specified girls' clothes when he said it, but definitely talked about the sexual arousal of dressing as a female. It was in an interview article with him, I think.

My kids would have been out of there so fast they left scorch marks.

Why would you even mention Perry?

Can anyone show me any firm evidence that being trans or non-binary = being a fetishist? That sounds very sweeping and extreme.

Well that’s a candidate for the Word Salad World Championship using as many words as humanly possible to say absolutely nothing.

Can you say, hand on heart that you’ve read all that and understand now why it’s not ok for a white woman to identify as black but it IS on for a white man to identify as a woman? Something to do with racial inequality? What about sex inequality?
What happens if a white man identifies as a black woman? Is that ok?

Oh goodness @WearyAuldWumman someone I know very well has crossed paths professionally with Pips…

If you scroll further along in my posts - I have explained my point of view with regards to the difference between sex/gender and race.

Teenage boys don’t need much encouragement to wank over anything.
And even if a teenage boy does do that wearing his mother or sister’s knickers or is looking at the underwear pages of a catalogue that doesn’t turn him into a sexual predator or make him want to wear women’s clothes or make him attracted to children.

Of course not all trans or non-binary are fetishists. Some of them will be.
And it’s no different to the very sweeping generalisation that we are constantly told - that all trans people are “just trying to get on with their lives”
How can anyone make either sweeping statement about an entire cohort of people is beyond me.

Eeep!

Here, bloody here.

Not a fetish for Perry, no siree...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4916999-has-anyone-read-this-interview-with-philippa-perry

Didn't say it would, I'm pointing out there's a clear difference in female and male motivations.

It's not complex. The teacher is a liar, pretending he's not a man when he is. And he's teaching kids to submit to the authority of lying adults and forcing them to say things that they know aren't true.

The one thing that makes me think that his motives are not innocent is that he's been teaching for a while, so is probably middle-aged, and yet he sometimes wears high heels to work.

Believe you me, if you're teaching nowadays you don't do it by sitting behind your desk - you might be standing at the front for a while, but you're constantly moving around the classroom. I can't imagine anyone willingly doing that in high heels all day at that age.

I was in middle management for around 20 years. Apart from the first few months when I was wearing 3 inch heels in order to boost my height (that's another story), unless I was going to be in a meeting with Education Officers etc, I wore the comfiest shoes that I could find.

You think anyone who has a diagnosed mental health issue should be permanently barred from teaching? I hate to break it to you, but I work in a school and half the Teachers I know are on medication for Depression and/or Anxiety.

Wow - well I disagree for reasons already posted on this thread.

@Nowherecitizen

What type of school are they teaching at where they teach both 9yr olds and "older children"?

As someone who taught for over 30 years in a secondary school I absolutely maintain that that teacher should not be teaching. He would last all of 10 mins in a secondary school.

Complain about this OP. This social engineering and denial of science that there are only two sexes has gone far enough. It needs to be dealt with:

The teacher isn’t transitioning from M to F. They just want to be called neither. You can disagree with that all you want but it is a protected characteristic under the equality act and therefore it’s their right for their title to be respected.

I think it needs to be a physical 'transition' to be covered in the equality act, not just interesting fashion choices.

The protected characteristic means they can't be discriminated against in employment, education etc. I don't think it means they get to force people to call them 'Mx'. The fact belief that sex is binary and immutable is a protected belief.