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To want to burn one of each Religious text today?

256 replies

JustMakingAPoint · 09/05/2025 07:54

Not because I hate or dislike them.

Not because I think burning books is good (I do not)

But because I should be able too. Because we have no Blasphemy laws and mean as it is, it’s not illegal and shouldn’t be.

And I want to do it to all of them to make the point it’s not about Islam, though it is provoked by today’s news.

This country is secular, blasphemy laws do not exist. And they shouldn’t.

if it takes every person burning a single religious book of their choosing to make the point - then I’m up for that.

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PlutoCat · 09/05/2025 13:20

Switcher · 09/05/2025 12:35

This was a few years ago. It was on the news. Presumably it'll be on YouTube somewhere but I think you're trying to suggest it's made up. It isn't.

No I am not suggesting that. I didn't recall seeing the apology broadcast on TV. Hence my question.

Someone has already kindly provided the link to the apology which was filmed. It wasn't broadcast on any mainstream television channels though , as @Yellowhammer09 has acknowledged, which was my question.

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:23

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:59

because if someone personally owns a copy they surely are allowed to burn a personal possession that they own. That’s the whole debate - should another person/group be able to criminalise you for destroying someone that you own regardless of what it is?

@CantStopMoving

If they own copies, then of course they should legally be allowed to burn them. But the OP has stated that their desire to do this is in a protest against blasphemy laws. Considering Pagan religions (as well as a number of others) are not trying to limit freedom of expression through blasphemy laws, there's no MORAL justification to burn texts associated with those particular religions, even if it is (rightly) legal to do so.

Bringing other religions that AREN'T causing a problem into this issue is not only pointless, but also prejudiced, IMO.

Mjaxten16 · 09/05/2025 13:23

it will be that reform Rupert Lowe latest X tweet. Usual shit stirring for this dippy followers to be angry at whatever he is angry about at the time

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:26

inamarina · 09/05/2025 13:03

I get your point, but imagine the response OP would get if she specifically targeted any particular religion.
I agree with you that there are several religions that are not trying to limit free expression and criticism through the law, I think that’s how it should be.

@inamarina

"I get your point, but imagine the response OP would get if she specifically targeted any particular religion."

Yes, there is that.

I think my issue is - as a member of a minority religion that gets unjustly viewed as having the dogmatic/bigoted elements that some other expressions of religion have - is that blanket statements like the OP's kind of help add to the impression that all religions are the same/have equally pernicious elements, and that's just not true.

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:27

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 13:06

I thought the news story was about it being burned outside the Turkish Embassy.
It was actually a political act

Ah ok, my mistake.

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:29

Panicmode1 · 09/05/2025 09:15

What I would like to know is if the man burning the text has now been charged with insulting a religion (or whatever back door blasphemy law they are using), has the man with the knife who tried to stab him for burning the book, been charged with anything?

I think that it is a very slippery slope to charge someone with offending a religion...allowing a backdoor blasphemy law to take hold leads to a dangerous place IMO. I don't believe that burning religious texts (or any books/flags etc) is acceptable and he was being deliberately offensive or provocative, but I also believe in free speech and the right to question a religion/ideology etc. (I also don't think that if someone burnt a Bible, that there would be the same level of police interest).

Yes, he has - causing actual bodily harm and possession of an offensive weapon

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:30

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:23

@CantStopMoving

If they own copies, then of course they should legally be allowed to burn them. But the OP has stated that their desire to do this is in a protest against blasphemy laws. Considering Pagan religions (as well as a number of others) are not trying to limit freedom of expression through blasphemy laws, there's no MORAL justification to burn texts associated with those particular religions, even if it is (rightly) legal to do so.

Bringing other religions that AREN'T causing a problem into this issue is not only pointless, but also prejudiced, IMO.

Prejudiced maybe but again should it be criminalised?

Panicmode1 · 09/05/2025 13:31

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:29

Yes, he has - causing actual bodily harm and possession of an offensive weapon

Thank you - I hadn't seen that. (Quite right that he has too!)

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:33

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:30

Prejudiced maybe but again should it be criminalised?

@CantStopMoving

No, it shouldn't be criminalised, which I did state before. It is LEGALLY justifiable to burn texts associated with pagan religions. But IMO it is not MORALLY justifiable, because pagan religions are not trying to limit freedom of speech, or take away other rights.

Yes, people should have the complete freedom to burn texts associated with Pagan traditions if they wish to, but I'm going to call them prejudiced dicks if they do.

steff13 · 09/05/2025 13:36

But because I should be able too. Because we have no Blasphemy laws and mean as it is, it’s not illegal and shouldn’t be.

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PansyP · 09/05/2025 13:55

We dont have blasphemy laws, however, the UK is not a secular country. We have a state religion

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:59

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:33

@CantStopMoving

No, it shouldn't be criminalised, which I did state before. It is LEGALLY justifiable to burn texts associated with pagan religions. But IMO it is not MORALLY justifiable, because pagan religions are not trying to limit freedom of speech, or take away other rights.

Yes, people should have the complete freedom to burn texts associated with Pagan traditions if they wish to, but I'm going to call them prejudiced dicks if they do.

But morality is subjective. It bothers you. It doesn’t bother me. That is how it should be. We all need to learn to just ignore people who do things we don’t like.

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:01

inamarina · 09/05/2025 13:10

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity.

In the UK? No, there aren’t.

Yea there are in NI, and NI is part of the UK.

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:02

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:55

no there isn’t as explained in the quote you responded to

Edited

Yes there are, as I’ve said in the post above. Don’t just believe everything you hear, OK?

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 14:04

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/05/2025 12:18

"Yes, I’d imagine he was “just burning a book” in the same way people outside abortion clinics are “just praying”. They aren’t. They’re trying to intimidate women accessing healthcare"

Spot on.

But you don't need to imagine.

You can actually read about the case which is linked to above which will show you the comparison made here is entirely bogus. This was an act of political protest against the assassination (murder) of a political protestor in Sweden, and against the President of Turkey, Erdogan.

What you have illustrated here is the problem of people not bothering to look into cases but instead ' imaging' and then condemning people based on their own prejudiced ' imaginings.

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:04

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:02

Yes there are, as I’ve said in the post above. Don’t just believe everything you hear, OK?

Not in England- that is where I am and I think the OP is

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 14:10

Why would you wish to extinguish learning and others opinions and beliefs
Why would you want to mindlessly offend others in such a pointless act

@DrPrunesqualer You are making big assumptions about why people would burn books. I suggest you listen to the Anti-Social episode I linked to above. For some ex-Muslims being able to 'disrespect' the Qy'ran is an important expression that they are now living in society where they will not be killed/ imprisoned etc for no longer being a Muslim or submitting to Muslim beliefs. You do not live in an oppressive theocracy or theocratic community and cannot perhaps understand why they feel the way they do.

Burning books can be done to oppress a group of people ( like the Nazis did) or it can be expression of liberation from, or defiance of, a group of people who are trying to oppress you.

godmum56 · 09/05/2025 14:11

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:03

Yes and she can do that, there's no law against it. Burning it outside a mosque, like the man in the news story being referred to, is inflammatory (literally and figuratively!) and should absolutely have consequences.

The abortion clinic/praying is the best comaparison I've seen on here!

yup that's what i said. Its the intent which is illegal and not the action

inamarina · 09/05/2025 14:20

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:01

Yea there are in NI, and NI is part of the UK.

Are blasphemy laws being enforced in NI?

TheWombatleague · 09/05/2025 14:23

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:29

Yes, he has - causing actual bodily harm and possession of an offensive weapon

He might have got away with the possession charge if he'd been a Sikh carrying a Kirpan.

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:27

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:04

Not in England- that is where I am and I think the OP is

Edited

Well we’re taking about the UK, ok?

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:28

inamarina · 09/05/2025 14:20

Are blasphemy laws being enforced in NI?

The point is, they exist.

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:30

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:27

Well we’re taking about the UK, ok?

are we? I assumed this was an English based discussion as the OP referred to ‘this country’ , as in England

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:31

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:30

are we? I assumed this was an English based discussion as the OP referred to ‘this country’ , as in England

You can assume what you want, doesn’t make it right.

ARealitycheck · 09/05/2025 14:41

You can burn books to your hearts content. Filming and showing them being burned knowing it will cause upset to certain people is a completely different thing, and rightly so should be condemned.