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To want to burn one of each Religious text today?

256 replies

JustMakingAPoint · 09/05/2025 07:54

Not because I hate or dislike them.

Not because I think burning books is good (I do not)

But because I should be able too. Because we have no Blasphemy laws and mean as it is, it’s not illegal and shouldn’t be.

And I want to do it to all of them to make the point it’s not about Islam, though it is provoked by today’s news.

This country is secular, blasphemy laws do not exist. And they shouldn’t.

if it takes every person burning a single religious book of their choosing to make the point - then I’m up for that.

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godmum56 · 09/05/2025 12:34

I don't burn books, its so environmentally bad but I have sent plenty to recycling. Its actually not against the law to destroy a book regardless of its contents, unless(rarely) on the grounds of the historical importance of that particular copy, and then its the same as the destruction of any other artifact by any means. Actually its the INTENT which is illegal.....same as do you know who burns the most American Flags in America? Its the American Government and military organisations. This is because burning flags is considered a proper and acceptable way of disposing of flags which are too worn or damaged to be used. Its not considered correct to fly a worn or damaged flag so to prevent them being used as rags they are burned. So you destroy away OP, but not by burning, the smoke is soooooobad for the planet.

Switcher · 09/05/2025 12:35

PlutoCat · 09/05/2025 11:12

Can you link to the television apology? Which channel?

This was a few years ago. It was on the news. Presumably it'll be on YouTube somewhere but I think you're trying to suggest it's made up. It isn't.

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 12:37

I have to say, as a Pagan, if someone burnt copies of the mythological texts that are associated with pagan religions (The Mabinogi, Irish Mythologies, Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Norse mythologies, modern Druid books, etc) - I'd find it needlessly and unjustly prejudiced - after all, Paganism isn't causing any problems or trying to take people's rights away. But I'd also find it ridiculous and probably laugh at anyone who burned them.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 12:40

PhilippaGeorgiou · 09/05/2025 08:00

Books should never be burned. Anyone doing so is in pretty awful company - it is never about freedom, it is about bigotry. Nor is there reason to go out of ones way to offend others to defend your freedom.

And actually, like it or not, if you are in the UK the country is not secular - it has a state religion and that is the Christianity through the prism of the Church of England.

Agree

Whilst you can burn whatever you like as I don’t think anyone cares what you do OP In my opinion Books should never be burnt.

Why would you wish to extinguish learning and others opinions and beliefs
Why would you want to mindlessly offend others in such a pointless act

The Nazis burned books if they didn’t agree with them
Personally I prefer to learn from books…whether I agree or disagree

and Yes we are a Christian country….

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 12:42

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 11:40

Secular country does not mean there are no people of faith in it. It means we are not a theocracy.

We are not a secular country though

We are Church of England

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:44

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 12:40

Agree

Whilst you can burn whatever you like as I don’t think anyone cares what you do OP In my opinion Books should never be burnt.

Why would you wish to extinguish learning and others opinions and beliefs
Why would you want to mindlessly offend others in such a pointless act

The Nazis burned books if they didn’t agree with them
Personally I prefer to learn from books…whether I agree or disagree

and Yes we are a Christian country….

But all info is on the internet now. If we had no printed books at all anymore then people would still have access to the information.

burning books used to be a problem as once gone the information would be gone with them . That is no longer the case so it’s moot whether they exist in printed copy or not.

inamarina · 09/05/2025 12:51

HermioneWeasley · 09/05/2025 12:14

I agree with the sentiment of the OP. I don’t actually want to burn any books, but it is chilling that someone is being prosecuted because what he did with his own property offended someone else’s. It is the imposition of blasphemy laws and we should all be concerned about that

I agree and I think several posters on this thread are (willfully?) missing the point.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to burn any books, nobody should be prosecuted for choosing to do that though.

AnnaFrith · 09/05/2025 12:53

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/05/2025 12:10

Stealth? No, out in the open Islamophobia. Tedious, depressing but sadly predictable

If your definition of 'Islamophobia' is 'concerned about calls for laws to make blasphemy against Islam a criminal offence', I am proud to be an Islamaphobe.

nomas · 09/05/2025 12:54

GeneralPeter · 09/05/2025 12:22

It really isn’t Islamophobia to not want de facto blasphemy laws. For any religion.

There’s a respectable intellectual tradition opposing blasphemy laws that far predates modern arguments over Islam. It was a battle last fought in the 1970s when Mary Whitehouse won a private prosecution against Gay News because of their publication of a poem offensive to many Christians.

That led eventually to the removal of the offence of blasphemous libel everywhere except Northern Ireland.

Wanting to keep blasphemy laws away is not driven by some irrational fear of Muslims. It’s an (imo) very important liberal principle that will manifest in different contexts at different times, but is foundational to any hope we may have of having a secular, successful, multicultural society.

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity. Don’t see you protesting about that.

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:55

nomas · 09/05/2025 12:54

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity. Don’t see you protesting about that.

no there isn’t as explained in the quote you responded to

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 12:56

ExtraOnions · 09/05/2025 08:44

You can’t even say you are English now without getting arrested…

…something about not being able to wear crosses at work …

..then something about St George

…and I’ll finish off with “supposed to be a Christian County”

It is perfectly lawful to wear a Crucifix / Cross at work

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 12:56

inamarina · 09/05/2025 12:51

I agree and I think several posters on this thread are (willfully?) missing the point.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to burn any books, nobody should be prosecuted for choosing to do that though.

@inamarina

But the OP specified burning a copy of every religious text as a protest against blasphemy laws. Considering numerous religions, like Hinduism, Buddhism and the numerous Pagan religions, are NOT trying to limit free expression through the law, then what is the justification for burning texts associated with those religions?

GeneralPeter · 09/05/2025 12:56

nomas · 09/05/2025 12:54

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity. Don’t see you protesting about that.

Really? What do you know about me?

And what, from my post, makes you think I support blasphemy laws for any religion?

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 12:58

Burning a religious book in your own back garden? Crack on if the mood so takes you.

Standing outside a place of worship burning their book of choice? Clearly offensive and inciting religious hatred.

PinkyFlamingo · 09/05/2025 12:58

I hate when people don't put what they are talking about, very attention seeking.

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:59

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 12:56

@inamarina

But the OP specified burning a copy of every religious text as a protest against blasphemy laws. Considering numerous religions, like Hinduism, Buddhism and the numerous Pagan religions, are NOT trying to limit free expression through the law, then what is the justification for burning texts associated with those religions?

Edited

because if someone personally owns a copy they surely are allowed to burn a personal possession that they own. That’s the whole debate - should another person/group be able to criminalise you for destroying someone that you own regardless of what it is?

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 13:00

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:44

But all info is on the internet now. If we had no printed books at all anymore then people would still have access to the information.

burning books used to be a problem as once gone the information would be gone with them . That is no longer the case so it’s moot whether they exist in printed copy or not.

True of course
Learning won’t be extinguished if all books are burnt

But why would people bother them, if the act of burning does not extinguish the beliefs and teachings.

as an owner of many first editions I’d personally find it a pathetic destruction of historical text

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:01

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 12:58

Burning a religious book in your own back garden? Crack on if the mood so takes you.

Standing outside a place of worship burning their book of choice? Clearly offensive and inciting religious hatred.

That it may be - But is it or should it be a criminal offence? Do we want our country to move towards being more authoritarian rather than stay based on the libertarian principles we have lived with for hundreds of years.

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:03

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:59

because if someone personally owns a copy they surely are allowed to burn a personal possession that they own. That’s the whole debate - should another person/group be able to criminalise you for destroying someone that you own regardless of what it is?

Yes and she can do that, there's no law against it. Burning it outside a mosque, like the man in the news story being referred to, is inflammatory (literally and figuratively!) and should absolutely have consequences.

The abortion clinic/praying is the best comaparison I've seen on here!

inamarina · 09/05/2025 13:03

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 12:56

@inamarina

But the OP specified burning a copy of every religious text as a protest against blasphemy laws. Considering numerous religions, like Hinduism, Buddhism and the numerous Pagan religions, are NOT trying to limit free expression through the law, then what is the justification for burning texts associated with those religions?

Edited

I get your point, but imagine the response OP would get if she specifically targeted any particular religion.
I agree with you that there are several religions that are not trying to limit free expression and criticism through the law, I think that’s how it should be.

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 13:04

nomas · 09/05/2025 12:54

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity. Don’t see you protesting about that.

There are no Blasphemy laws

Why do people keep saying this on here!

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:05

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:03

Yes and she can do that, there's no law against it. Burning it outside a mosque, like the man in the news story being referred to, is inflammatory (literally and figuratively!) and should absolutely have consequences.

The abortion clinic/praying is the best comaparison I've seen on here!

But again, should it be criminalised? Once you start criminalising things like this you move towards authoritarianism.

I find is amazing how many people who would describe themselves as liberals, advocate for more laws when that is the polar opposite of of liberalism. If you are liberal you should be advocating for as few laws as possible

DrPrunesqualer · 09/05/2025 13:06

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:03

Yes and she can do that, there's no law against it. Burning it outside a mosque, like the man in the news story being referred to, is inflammatory (literally and figuratively!) and should absolutely have consequences.

The abortion clinic/praying is the best comaparison I've seen on here!

I thought the news story was about it being burned outside the Turkish Embassy.
It was actually a political act

inamarina · 09/05/2025 13:10

nomas · 09/05/2025 12:54

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity. Don’t see you protesting about that.

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity.

In the UK? No, there aren’t.

ToWhitToWhoo · 09/05/2025 13:15

I don't believe in burning any books. Not even 'Mein Kampf'. Where might it end?

And by the way blasphemy laws still exist in one part of the UK: Northern Ireland. And were only abolished in Scotland in 2024. Even in England and Wales, they were only abolished in 2008. Against the strong opposition of the DUP and some Tories, including Edward Leigh who is now Father of the House.

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