Time to get rid of the pope?

[KatyKopykat]

I'm not Catholic so I don't know much about this. Could the world survive without the Pope? There's no need for a head of the Catholic church. There's no Anglican equivalent. Keep the bishop of Rome job, but leave it at that.

Expecting to get totally pasted here and I accept that I know nothing and happy to have explanations.

Admins @mnhq please remove if this is not allowed.

It’s pretty basic history, it has nothing to do with trendiness lol. OP was just ignorant but thought she’d chip in regardless, for some reason.

Which bit of the current History curriculum should we leave out in order to cover this?

I'm not Catholic but having read Conclave a couple of years ago and watched the film recently I'm quite invested in this. I've looked up the candidates and the BBC has a page with some of them. I quite like Jean-Marc Aveline. He's French, looks very jolly on the BBC's list and is one of the younger candidates, a possible factor against him according to the BBC webpage is that he isn't fluent in Italian.

Pierbattista Pizzaballa is Italian and very interesting as he has lived in Jerusalem for decades but what might be against him according to the BBC is that he is quite young.

Interesting times

Edited to make a little bit more sense

The reincarnation of Ian Paisley has returned.🦖

Where did I mention changing history curriculums - there is more than one in UK and the welsh one my kids followed was pretty good - though am now thinking reading comprehension needs urgent attention.

I said I did do the Tudors (in England) - two terms of Tudor history with a lot of attention on Henry VIII and his wives not once was it even mentioned despite covering the reformation.

I learnt if from a you tube shorts where a guy was taking the piss about about how Henry VIII would want to be remembered - Navy reform to how he is having 6 wives- - so then went and looked it up - the video was less than a minute in length.

I don't know who it is on Sky news atm describing Pope Francis as 'superficial' with a style of 'schmaltz' but, despite his clerical robes, perhaps he agrees with the OP? !

I didn't say "do away with the pope" I asked about it.

Admins @mnhq please remove if this is not allowed.

I’ve seen that on some Facebook groups too & I’ve been wondering about the thought behind it. Is it meant to be a sign of politeness? What do you think would happen if the question wasn’t allowed & you hadn’t put that?

It’s pointless because @mnhqdoesn’t reach anyone at MNHQ

Yes I know, but it’s the reasoning behind putting it at all that I’m curious about.

The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. You cannot get rid of the pope. I’m Catholic so trot on Henry.

I was going to say! Strange thread. "I'm not Catholic, but do we really need the Pope?"

I've actually reported it but it seems they don't think it should be removed.

I've already said it's not my finest hour, so let's leave it there.

As an actual CATHOLIC, church going sacramental participating catholic YABU what makes you think you can have ANY say in a religion that doesn’t impact you in your life at all

DFOD

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. The existence of different programmes of study in the 4 nations is irrelevant. The phrase "the curriculum" is not unique to particular nation.

Yes, you said you did do the Tudors. I read that. Then you said you had covered some bits of the Tudors but not the (undoubtedly interesting) bit that was covered in your YouTube short.

My point was that there is always going to be a partial covering of any topic because there are thousands of years of history which could potentially be covered and a very limited time in school in which to do it. Adding a new bit in means taking an old bit out.

All of this arose from a previous poster trying to claim that we don't study certain topics because of trendy multiculturalism. We don't study all of the aspects of all of history because someone has designed the curriculum and schools timetable a certain amount of time which they believe they can deliver it in.

I find the strangest thing about the current situation is that a Pope doesn't nominate his preferred successor which the College of Cardinals would just need to confirm immediately after the funeral. With the dogma of papal infallibility it would be unlikely for the Cardinals to elect someone else, and there would be little danger of a prolonged conclave (the longest was almost 3 years!).

In Germany, Friedrich Merz is being described as politically weak and lacking support because he failed to win the morning vote to become Chancellor, but won the second vote in the afternoon. If the Vatican white smoke follows several days of black smoke, does this signify the new Pope is weak and lacking support?

Why, you're not catholic the pope won't affect you.

You should worry about events that are happening closer to home. Do you think there is a need for the royal family and if not why not.

Here's another issue @KatyKopykat should there be another referendum to return back to Europe?

So much is going on the pope is the least of your worries.

There's a new one announced. Since posting this I've talked to a few people, Catholics and non- catholics who have a variety of views on what I have said. Mostly expressed more politely than on Mumsnet.

Haha because if they know you face to face they are simply rolling their eyes and saying how ignorant… in their heads…

So you’re saying people react to things more politely face-to-face than on an anonymous internet forum? Surely not?

My partner is a Black man he had a job to do in someone's house. The male customer had books on Nazis and Hitler my partner still had to be friendly to him. Can you imagine what was going through his head. Obviously, he told me what he was thinking after he left.

Did he have to do the job? I'd think he would have been well within his rights to walk out.

I think the OP (not Catholic here either so have limited understanding) doesn't understand the role of the Pope as someone more than just a figurehead or a spiritual leader. The role is political and diplomatic as well as everything else that's enshrined in the role.

at least do a bit of research and come up with an argument that is better than the Anglican’s don’t have one.

I'm not Catholic, in fact am descended from German people who were part of Martin Luther's reformation, so I come from a long line of people really not impressed with Catholicism. However, I could care less if Catholics want to waste their time, money and emotions on supporting a very rich old man in a very rich city. Their choice.

However, I'm sick to death of the over-the-top news coverage. Unless you're Catholic, who cares about the man? That I don't understand. Even though I'm an American who is not far from Chicago, it's 'meh' for me.