AIBU to say that I have had enough of this government and Its grabby supporters.

[Ihavehadenough1345]

I have name changed for this and am prepared for the pile on, backlash, kicking I am going to get but I have had enough!

My tax bill was £80,000 this year. I am self employed. I pay £16,000 a year in VAT. I have a valuable asset. I own my own home.
no mortgage. I have worked bloody hard. No inheritance, no Oxbridge, no privilege and no luck!

I pay for private school for 2 DC.

I am asset rich, cash poor. I have enough money to pay all of my bills, no debt, I’m not extravagant. If you met me you wouldn’t know my financial situation. I am normal.

But my tax contribution is not enough for this government and its supporters.

I read all of the posts of all of the threads regarding VAT on school fees, UC, the cost
of living crisis and on and on and on!

I have had enough.

And I do not need therapy and I do not have ADHD or bipolar.

Let the games begin!

Trust me, you don’t sound like someone who could be educated. I am sure knowledge and wisdom is always chasing you, but you’re always faster.

Confusing thread.

"I have enough money to pay all of my bills, no debt, I’m not extravagant."

So what's the problem? You make it clear that you're indulging in a whine, but I'm not sure what you're whining about, since things are apparently OK for you financially.

There are also plenty of jobs that can be done remotely now and easily be transferred outside of the UK with minimal disruption.

I’m UK based and pay a similar amount of income tax as the OP in a PAYE role. Literally everyone else who is more senior than me now nominally bases themselves overseas. These are people on 500k+.

From my point of view and the businesses point of view nothing has really changed. Most contact between us all was mainly remote anyway so whether people are sitting in the UK on a Teams call or in a lower tax jurisdiction makes little difference to their effectiveness and worth to the business. They are not even changing jobs to avoid UK tax.

Most people in the UK are tied to the country whether that be through jobs that aren’t portable, family ties, logistical issues etc. A huge number of higher earners simply don’t have those same constraints.

The UK is sleepwalking into financial ruin and those who will suffer the most are cheering it on all the way.

I like the implication that people on low wages aren't also working hard for what they get.

The reality is that the British economy is fucked and the Tories were lying to you. There's a budget black hole that the government has to fill and no good options to fill it. Public services are on their knees. And doctors are also leaving for countries with higher taxation; what's driving them out are poor wages for backbreaking work.

As for growing the economy, which is the only long term solution, the Tories were out of ideas for that too.

So yes, I will feel worse for the person who can't afford food than for the well off.

I do! Go on ‘so stop moaning then’!

Just saying it is a choice to the person saying you are paying twice over. Suck it up then.

Thank you! No one on these threads seem to get it at all! Basic rate tax in most EU countries is 30%, many gave no nil rate tax band. And yet here we have a basic rate of tax of 20% and you pay nothing on earnings under £12,500. And yet people wonder why are public services are shite.

Can you not leave as well? If you need help packing I'm free a week Friday

You fail to appreciate that many of those who pay the most tax could choose not to by changing their circumstances. The Laffer curve is real yet time and again gets ignored.

Perhaps legislation could be passed to ensure that those people can't be employed in the UK, since they don't live or pay tax there.

By the way I currently live in the US. Yes, the wealthy were moving here, till Trump decided to break our economy. Taxes are lower, yes. Wages are higher. It can work out well for the high paid. But, you have to pay for quite a bit more out of pocket. The Gulf? Same.

It didn't take you long to resort to ad hominem attacks rather than providing further information to back up your arguments. You say you don't think I could be educated. What are your qualifications?

You can afford to live in a better area. It was your personal choice (or your DCs) to raise your DC in a shit hole. Yes, tory government have done their best to ruin state education (at a huge cost to all of us) but most places have better schools than that.

Oh the irony!!!

? This makes no sense. Are you saying that we should force private UK employers to employ UK people? Madness!

Boohoo, my heart (which has been taxed inc VAT) bleeds purple.

I never said a thing about it. People can make all sorts of choices, yes. If I were going to focus government efforts on tax fairness, it would be on the cliffs where people get into tax & benefit traps.

I'm no expert at all but how can you tax people on the bread line further? People on NMW for instance who are struggling to buy food/pay bills?

I do believe we have a problem with a low wage economy and that needs sorting out. But how? NI contributions were put up and businesses went bust saying they couldn't afford the extra expenditure. If they were forced to pay better wages would there not be the same issue? And if private companies had to pay higher wages then ultimately the govt will also have to pay NHS staff, police, teachers more in order to keep up...otherwise you end up with nurses on NMW. And the govt reckon they can't afford it.

Country is in a bloody mess!

Aside from p/s school which tax changes are you specifically referring to? I think that might shed a bit more light.

I am in the middle ( upper of the middle to be fair) I paid £50,000 income tax in 23/24 on a salary of £187,000 would have been more without my pension contributions (I have also been taxed on the increase in value there, exceeding the annual allowance) have 2 adult DC we support one at Uni one just doing A- levels. Was sucking my teeth at buying a £149 Summer Dress this weekend, you tell me you is not being shafted. Work 50hrs a week.

Do you think anyone likes paying tax? Of course we don’t. But if you earn the money you pay the tax, it’s as simple as that.

And I hate this “I work hard” schtik. Do you think people who don’t earn as much as you don’t work hard?

I shouldn’t bite, but you made me laugh. I’ll just charitably leave my belongings to you, free gear and all that!

The answer to that is to strictly limit the ability to move capital out of the UK, as was the case before Thatcher. They wouldn't be so quick to leave the UK if they couldnt take or access their money overseas!

Yes and I find the harder you work the ‘luckier’ you are. Weird that, isn’t it?

I’ll bite. You cannot be cash poor if you paid £80k in tax! Taking aside vat which I presume was a business expense (on turnover not profit) that’s £64k in income tax, to pay that much income tax you have an income in the mid 100k’s. Not cash poor.

cash poor are people on state pension only, house bought for £5k in 1970 but house has appreciated to £2m or something.