AIBU to say that I have had enough of this government and Its grabby supporters.

[Ihavehadenough1345]

I have name changed for this and am prepared for the pile on, backlash, kicking I am going to get but I have had enough!

My tax bill was £80,000 this year. I am self employed. I pay £16,000 a year in VAT. I have a valuable asset. I own my own home.
no mortgage. I have worked bloody hard. No inheritance, no Oxbridge, no privilege and no luck!

I pay for private school for 2 DC.

I am asset rich, cash poor. I have enough money to pay all of my bills, no debt, I’m not extravagant. If you met me you wouldn’t know my financial situation. I am normal.

But my tax contribution is not enough for this government and its supporters.

I read all of the posts of all of the threads regarding VAT on school fees, UC, the cost
of living crisis and on and on and on!

I have had enough.

And I do not need therapy and I do not have ADHD or bipolar.

Let the games begin!

Listen, the problem is that our economy is absolutely fucked. No growth, sold off all our assets, no plan for how we get out of this massive hole. Brexit has clearly made it all a lot worse. There is no tax solution to solving this issue. We need to grow our economy.

But OP I pay a lot more tax each year than you and I can still recognise that I’m exceptionally lucky to be able to afford all I do. I know the continual grab from us is frustrating (my biggest annoyance is on pensions, where I am taxed if I put anything in a pension over 10k but also taxed when I take out of the pension once I retire, so the same income is taxed twice, meaning I have absolutely no incentive to save into a pension - madness.) But we are lucky that these are our irritants.

Why is this OP's problem? She didn't cause it. She just worked hard to achieve what she has. I'm a little sick of people's seeming entitlement to other people's money these days.

I don’t think the Labour Party is working for anyone , it’s an absolute shitshow, you won’t get much sympathy on Mn though , a hotbed of labour activists who try and drown out any debate .

Hope the door didn't hit them on the way out, the poor dears.

If all the wealth creators (aka job providers) leave, @spoonbillstretford, where do you suggest economic growth comes from?

We have had enough too, and so have most of our friends. We have lost two this year already (NHS doctors) to Saudi and Dubai. They can live there for 5-10 years in the sunshine and can retire afterwards.

I am afraid if this continues, there won’t be anyone left to prop up the benefits and social care. Too many grasping freeloaders that refuse to contribute or take personal responsibility for themselves. It needs to be addressed. Urgently.

Urgh. Hate this shite. Millions of people work hard, really hard and are successful in their chosen field but will never earn that kind of money. Teachers would be a great example.

Leave the country, OP. If that works for you. Look after yourself.

As always, many of thise so-called grasping freeloaders are people working hard on low wages.

They aren't. Calm down.

And where are they going in Europe where they pay less tax? Jersey?

Who do they want to run this country? This government have not made any changes to corporation or income tax so presumably they were not happy with the Tories either who set the current tax rates. And they oversaw 14 years of managed decline in this country, much of it is in a right fucking state thanks to their efforts.

Do they want Nigel Farage in power? How will he encourage economic growth? His big plan was Brexit? How is that working out for us?

Frankly, you made choices and now you are reaping the “rewards”!

You might as well have taken a salaried job and PAYE like most people.

There were problems before Starmer got in, OP, maybe you are just sour that “other” parties are no longer in charge?

The benefits bill is happening because housing costs and childcare costs have got out of control. And wages have been allowed to stagnate.

When you see people on large amounts of UC: it's almost always working people paying for rent and childcare.

The government are basically paying a subsidy to business to allow them to keep wages low.

I don't know how we get out of the situation tbh. Because that seems to be how our economy is structured now.

I do think we'd be better off providing housing and childcare directly from the government rather than propping up private landlords and private childcare providers. There would at least be some economies of scale.

I think OP is probably fine though. I imagine her idea of "cash poor" looks very different to mine!

Always have to roll my eyes when rich people talk about how they've earned their wealth by "working hard".

I can guarantee them that they havnt worked any harder than the majority of people grafting and earning way less, working full time and still needing universal credit to keep a roof over their heads.

Somewhere along the line , you got lucky if you're earning 200k a year. Maybe not as a kid, maybe not with the uni you got into, but you did. Your life circumstances and opportunities allowed for you to be in such a lucrative position. Some people never have the right circumstances or opportunities, and they still work extremely hard and have nothing.

And honestly most wealthy people don't work very hard at all. They don't know what it actually looks like, they just assume that's what they're doing because they have the money coming in and they think the proof is in the pudding. That's not how this one works.

A lot of people work and don't have a lot to spare or children in private school.

Count your blessings.

How is op paying twice for schooling? Ok...through tax but I doubt it is going to be the £30,000 or so needed for private education. Send your kids to state if it bothers you that much.
I also pay tax and work very hard for the nhs but I want public services so...
If you dont want public services there must be a private island you can buy!

Fwiw I'm not happy with Labour for stigmatising disabled people and taking their benefits.

And many millions of healthy people are doing absolutely nothing!

'Wealth creator' and 'high tax payer' are two quite different things. And, much as I dislike the current government, they seem to be doing everything they can to avoid raising taxes on the comfortably off while squeezing what they can out of the most vulnerable.

You can blame Nigel Farage and the likes of Boris Johnson, their Brexit scam has been a sh*y show that has caused immense damage to our economy.

Um, that’s not how taxes work. We don’t pay out based on if we caused something or not

Many millions? Source please

It’s hilarious to say you’re not cash rich when you’re paying school fees. We’d all be cash rich if we didn’t have to pay for big ticket items!

I think this is what I find bothersome about Labour. There seems to be a constant attempt to level the playing field by bringing the higher earners down, rather than bringing the lower earners up.

Happy to be corrected but I’ve heard nothing about apprenticeships, training, scholarships, education support or programmes. Nothing like lower costs/incentives for the first year of a business or free child care for first year of mothers back to work. I think long term these would help people find their feet.

I read on another thread that you shouldn’t be able to earn enough to clothe and feed your children without being taxed on what’s left over. I mean what is this lunacy, is it a race to the bottom? What would be the point in striving for success in a society like this?

Yes they were, dont your remember?! It was a government that turned the tide for all of us and kept us out of a global recession.

I pay as much corp tax as you. VAT isn't a tax on your company its pass through from your clients so dont put that in here thinking noone knows. You claim at least 50% of it back so its free additional money! Get a grip.

Private education should have always been VAT charged because it is a luxury could we all afford it we would!

It is 100% about time that everyone contributed tax properly into the coffers. It is also time everyone who can work got a job.

Lots of what the current government is tackling have been left to fester by the Tories so the country is in a mess.

Ask yourself this... when the Tories made all the savings where did the money saved go? They racked up huge debts, huge fraud and services are at the pits. It'll take decades to dig us out of the Tory messes inc MT selling off our utilities etc.

Wake the f up.

Wrong! I worked for the NHS for a long time. I know so much about working hard, I actually burnt out.

With the other hard workers who, the first thing they did when we started work at 8 AM, was go off to find a stool to sit on all day and arrange tea and lunch breaks and then start bullying other members of staff.

No matter what you say, I do not consider my current position the result of luck, I work hard!
I said ‘ I work bloody hard’, I did not say that low paid workers don’t! Some do, some don’t’.

Taxing the wealthy is not going to end child poverty in the UK, is it? In some cases better parenting might have a positive impact. but it will provide children with a free breakfast, We are making progress.

And the money raised by VAT on school fees won’t go on 6,500 new teachers it will go on funding the 4% pay increase teaching unions are demanding to avoid teachers going on strike.

It’s not looking good!

I do consider myself fortunate, not lucky, fortunate. I do pay my tax, and not begrudgingly, it’s the ‘ off with their heads’ attitude that is jarring.

This thread though has inspired an over all considered conversation about the current state of the economy.

The glee when Labour won the election has become more measured as we all watch and no actually knows what the hell is going on.

Some PPs seem to think that they need to teach me why I have to pay tax and why I have to pay significantly more than the average tax payer. Despite my ‘luck’ I am not stupid’

I realise that the OP like almost 2/3rds of those who voted chose another party or an independent candidate.

I hope the OP supports a fairer voting system, a form of PR.

I hope the OP recognises that the public finances are where they are because of unfunded employee national insurance reductions introduced in 2022 and 2023, and because of the higher cost of Covid support given the late response in March 2020.

You are wrong OP. Socialists always run out of other people’s money, and then the freebie brigade voters wonder where they went wrong.

Milllionnaires are leaving in their thousands, where do the Labour supporters think they money is going to come from. It’s going to come from them of course. There are 10 million people of working age, either not working at all or choosing to work tokenistically to qualify for benefits. At the same time, we are improving low skilled migrants who don’t earn enough to pay for public services for themselves and their families, so they need to be paid for also. By an ever shrinking number of people like you.

Anyone with any money and any sense should get out this shit hole of a country as quickly as they can and leave the crabs to fight it out amongst themselves.