To want Brexit be reversed

[BeKookySheep]

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

A think you're a bit late to the party.

Thanks David Cameron, thanks a fucking bunch.

And what’s going to happen as the last of the boomers, born in 1964, are approaching retirement and the population figures fall off a cliff? Presumably we will be grateful for plenty of immigrants then.

Wow your the exact reason people are voting reform so take a look in the mirror.

He was so unbelievably complacent. I shall never forgive him.

That's just not true. Half of the members are way more gender critical than UK. Poland and Hungary spring to mind, but you can add on plenty of other countries. There is plenty of significant opposition to the EU social and so called progressive projects within its member States. The only time there has been votes on a EU constitution it has been defeated, including by Denmark. They stopoed countries voting on it after the Danish vote. Ireland has rejected a number of EU treaties as the only Country that legally has to put them to a popular vote. There are serious issues with the legal basis of governance of the EU and its political and military agenda beyond its legal competency and a huge democratic deficit, which it recognises its self. It also creates very significant regulatory barriers to trade with non members which is where all the paper work comes from for the UK now. So the leave argument might be simplistic around freedom of movement, but the rejoin might be simplistic around being able to study and work in member States and economic prosperity.

She needs to look at the Turning scheme.

To be honest it is posts like this that are part of the reason we got the Brexit conversation so wrong.

Lots of 'what about my year abroad ' and no willingness to talk about the impact on agricultural jobs, how the ready supply of workers enabled employers to demand things like '20 hours a week any time between 7am and 9pm', school classes which now include 13 different languages. These are the issues which affected those who can't just move or get a different job.

I don't think Brexit was the answer but we seem too willing to just dismiss issues people are facing as not relevant and focus only on those affecting the middle classes.

And as Reform shows, we are not learning.

I don’t think those statements follow.

Over what period should we expect there to be visible benefits, and if there is no period of time which is too long, then isn’t it better to say, actually it’s irrelevant to me whether I and my descendants are poorer, forever.

It also really doesn’t follow that it was better to Brexit 9 year ago, when the EU might break up in the future. Again, wouldn’t it be better for UK citizens to have the benefits of membership until it breaks up? And after what period of time do you accept that reports of it’s break up are premature?

Wow your the exact reason people are voting reform so take a look in the mirror.

So people are voting for a party that don't care for or support simply because others are calling them stupid? 🤔

Wage increases, a pretty big one

The thing is, 50% of "the people" have below average intelligence.

Ten years ago Nigel Farage was telling everyone that Brexit would mean no more immigration, £350m a week for the NHS and sunlit uplands.

None of the benefits he promised have materialised and instead we have rampant inflation whilst wages have more or less continued to stagnate.

If you look back over the last decade and you think that continuing to put your faith in Nigel Farage is the sensible thing to do, there really is no hope for you.

YANBU

That sounds like the very definition of stupid.

Turkeys voting for Christmas just to make a fucking point.

Whatever our housing, public services, labour market, benefits system etc. are designed to absorb. I would say that currently there is no such calculation happening, no control and that net immigration of a million people per year is causing problems. Particularly for the kind of people at the bottom of the income scale who voted for Brexit and will vote Reform.

And what’s going to happen as the last of the boomers, born in 1964, are approaching retirement and the population figures fall off a cliff?

I'm not sure why so many don't want to acknowledge the changing demographics & the economic implications of that. Is it because they would rather pretend low taxes & better services are possible?

Did you vote for Brexit OP?

@Ablondiebutagoody but why do you think those at the bottom of the income scale has lost out mainly due to immigration?

Your sentence doesn't make sense but I think I understand what you were meant to say. Being ignored turns people to more extreme parties, always has. If people's concerns of mass migration were taken more seriously I don't think brexit would have ever happened. Calling people stupid only bites you in the backside, sorry but reform are making huge gains and it's your own fault.

It was a terrible idea to start with.

It focused on Immigration concerns, as far I can see, numbers have increased not decreased, it made life difficult for EU workers to continue working in care roles, hospital settings, retail.

I don't buy anything from the UK anymore unfortunately, the delays in parcels, tax charges. I learnt a lesson buying an antique ring from Ebay.

The company I work for, buys all of our stock from suppliers in France and Denmark, it was always from the UK.

Inflation over last few years was more Ukraine war, and you can see it’s back down. Although Labour’s policies might see it go up.

if people want results on immigration it’ll take further ties being cut, whether people vote for that I guess we’ll see.

I said they are to unfold. They have started to unfold, but we aren’t anywhere near full benefits yet.
We’ve stopped paying money to the EU - given the state of the public purse at the moment, that’s a huge gain.
We can now control our own taxes - VAT on private school fees, and removing VAT on sanitary products would not have been allowed had we been in the EU.
We have stopped free movement of people - the immigration crisis across Europe would be far worse for us without this door closed.
We are deep in trade agreement negotiations with a number of countries, including the U.S., (which will protect us from the tumult of Trump’s tariff whims). Our non-EU membership has already kept our tariffs lower than those being put on EU goods and services.

There are more to come, and we won’t fully know what Brexit Britain looks like for some time due to other world events.
And Brexit was democratically decided upon.
It is unreasonable to revisit such a major decision so soon.

Brexit has been a massive shitshow. The fucking irony of Cameron calling a referendum to try and unite the Conservative Party and put an end to Nigel Farage’s ambitions just shows how ridiculous the whole endeavour was. Plus it wasn’t legally binding, the government of the time didn’t actually have to enact it, but they did because they were populist arseholes. We are undeniably and provably worse off as a result of leaving Europe and although Boris and co. later tried to use Covid as a cover for our economic downfall, the fact is that the law of unintended consequences has come back to bite us on the bum. Also there is no mechanism for getting back into Europe because no one else has been stupid enough to leave before. Extra dumbo points for losing a veto we enjoyed despite our size and being outside of a system that was set up initially with a peace keeping imperative at a time when a third world war looms…

Brexit can’t be reversed- if we go back into the EU it will be on worse terms. I wish people had made the effort to inform themselves before voting. It was always going to cost us to leave the EU and it was never going to decrease immigration- we just have more non-EU immigrants, which I’m not sure people knew they were voting for.

For whom?

This.

People voted for it knowing that this would be the outcome. The biggest issue in my life has been occasional difficulties getting medication for my children. It has affected ADHD meds, insulin and epipens. And of course the impact on the economy affects us all.

I'm still waiting for any benefit.

Calling people stupid only bites you in the backside, sorry but reform are making huge gains and it's your own fault.

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